Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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OE AVS's are lean & maybe a slight vac leak is pushing it over the edge. I would block the metering rod pistons up for a quick check & see what that enrichment does for it
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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Check that your metering rod pistons are operating smoothly, they can get sticky and cause such transition issues. I have to pull mine every so often and clean them with carb cleaner. They do get black and gummed up.
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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Don't forget to check your hot idle compensator valve. Block it off either way. I had to do the same to my 4640SA once it stuck open and had my headers glowing red from being too lean. It's a straight manifold vacuum leak
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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what I would do now is set all the carb settings back to OE specs
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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Great tips fellas. Thanks.
I had the AVS apart yesterday, before reaching out on moparts. I cleaned up the pistons but not the bores in the carb. The metering rod on the passenger side was worn bad and the spring holding it was out of position and off the rod. I used a set of rods out of a 4429S. I also adjusted the floats to parallel with the top to increase the amount of fuel in the bowls. Overall that whole process seemed to richen the whole shebang up ... which is what I would expect. I adjusted the secondary air horn since I was getting a bog and smoke when matting the pedal.
The air/mixture screws are adjusted very far out. More than they should be in my opinion. When screwed all the way in and adjusted 1 1/2 turns out, the engine won't even start. I figured adjusting the float level and cleaning the emulsification tubes etc, along with fixing the needle/piston would make things better. If anything I am a bit worse with the same hunting problem and now and enrichment problem when throttling up.
I need to mention also that this is an original carb that has the single air bleed in the center top but now also has the two mixture screws in the bottom as well. Also, The emulsification tubes in the carb have only 4 small holes each. That indicates to me that the engine should be pulling a solid fuel mix to the idle circuit slots/holes. I am confused as to why it takes so much outward adjustment to get it to idle right.
I will follow up on the tips provided. any other insight would be appreciated.
Does your gas have ethanol in it ? If so thinking the STOCK calibration from 1968 is going to be right with the piss they pass off as gas today is a pipe dream. Of course the idle mixture screws are out further , the gas is not the same anymore. You haven't answered the question as to the cam in the motor now , intial timing , what is the vac at idle ?
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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what I would do now is set all the carb settings back to OE specs Bad advice without knowing if his gas is E10 ...
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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what I would do now is set all the carb settings back to OE specs Bad advice without knowing if his gas is E10 ... I say that is good advice E10 or no E10 as he is way too rich right now (from his descrip) so it sounds like richening was not the answer
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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it's a stocker... not sure of duration.
92 octane ethanol
Condition occurs with 10 and 15 degrees advance.
Vacuum advance work and doesn't leak.
16 inches of mercury
Mixture needles are not out a little. They are out a lot..... 6 or 7 full turns.
Carb does not have a compensator valve.
There are no vacuum leaks at the carb, vacuum tree or brake booster.
Right now, I am thinking it could be the vacuum advance signal being erratic with the primaries situated where they are when under light cruise. Will try it without and see what happens. may have to adjust the vac adv diaphragm?
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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I know this is not how you operate, but please tell us you have fresh gas in the tank and not some years old stinky stuff with additives poured in it to make you feel better. Clean fuel (ethanol free 92 octane), new tank, lines etc.
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Re: 68 Charger cruise stumble - AVS carb question
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So is it 92E10 or 92 no ethanol? I see it listed as both?
Stumble on light cruise could also be the springs under the pistons , the vac signal is probably not the same as original and you could be on the edge and they are moving erratically because of that ? I think ebrock sells the springs separately .
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