Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: Joey Johnson]
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08/12/16 03:16 PM
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The Comp sportsman lifters are also available with bushings instead of the needle bearings, for an additional cost. I have a customer running them in a street/strip 493 in an unbushed block.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
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MRL doesn't "change" the BAM lifters; they simply have a number of options for what they make. I look at the BAMs and wonder if the PRO PLUS series work OK in an unbushed block. Those big holes in the bodies make me nervous...
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: Joey Johnson]
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08/13/16 10:09 AM
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I look at the BAMs and wonder if the PRO PLUS series work OK in an unbushed block. Those big holes in the bodies make me nervous... They just lighten the lifter.
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
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08/14/16 11:18 PM
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Anyone ever use these from Doug Herbert? There is no cross drilling that I see. There is a hole in the pushrod cup base that goes straight through to the bottom above the roller. Sure wouldnt/couldnt use them for PR oiling
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: sgcuda]
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If I dont like this solid FT I just put in my 416 I want to look at the Hughes solid rollers and have a new roller cam ground with a 110 LSA... or pull this engine out and go gen 3 this winter
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: Stanton]
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08/15/16 12:41 AM
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That's what is in my hemi...spec'd by Chase Knight Crane 66542-16 solid roller lifters in my stock 440 block Those do not indicate pushrod oiling. Crane 66550 are the "Ultra-pro". Pushrod oiling, pressurized oil to the roller wheel, no mods to stock bores required.
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: BradH]
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08/18/16 09:50 AM
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Also, any idea if the AMC-type lifters are available with offset pushrod seats? Brad, I ran the Comp Cams 892 roller lifters in a stock 400 block with no problems. They oil through the pushrods like AMC style, and have the offset intake pushrod seat. You need to order 8 exhaust with centered pushrod seat (892-C), 4 intake with right offset (892-R), and 4 intake with left offset (892-L) and 8 link bars for Mopar big block. They have higher pushrod seats, so shorter pushrods are needed.
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: 440Jim]
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08/18/16 11:01 AM
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After 2 failures with the 829's I went to the comp 848 amc style on a hemi & a wedge.They both lost 15 lbs of OP.Restricting the PR's brought the OP right back.I have then in my Hemi for 8 years now. I also like sending oil up the PR's in the wedge and it eliminated that rare PR scuffing at the rocker.
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: 440Jim]
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FWIW, I have three (3) sets of BB roller lifters w/ offset intake pushrod seats: 1) Early IMM-brand w/ a taller body that looks like the COMP AMC style shown above 2) Later IMM-brand w/ a shorter body that looks like the COMP 892s shown above 3) BAM "Pro Plus" from MRL, with a body height that roughly splits the difference of the other two
All three use a .800"+ wheel, have EDM oiling to the roller, and have pushrod oiling. I don't plan to use the pushrod oiling since I've had good luck w/ valve train lubrication after going to fully-grooved #4 cam journals.
All three also have the roller shrouded, but the cutaways in the body are different between the IMMs and BAM. I know the IMMs, COMP 892 (w/ the pushrod oil feeds restricted) & COMP AMC lifters (848s?) have worked OK in unbushed blocks based on the results of posters here. I don't know anyone personally who has used the BAMs in an unbushed block, though.
One difference worth noting is that the various lifter manufacturers are NOT consistent w/ their lifter body diameters. The IMMs (and I'll presume the similar COMPs) measure in the low .903s, around .9030"-.9032" IIRC. The BAMs are much closer to .904", around .9038" IIRC.
My reasoning for purchasing the BAMs when I already had the IMMs was because my RB 452's bushed lifter bores have some wear, and the clearance was (is) on the loose side from what I've read re: preferred roller lifter-to-lifter bore clearances.
Jesel says for a cast iron or bronze bushed blocks, they recommend running .002” clearance. Other engine builders have said they want to see .0015"-.002", and that .003" is too much. Well, even w/ the larger OD BAM lifters in the used bronze bushings, I'm pretty sure they're all at least .003". I did add .125" oil feed holes to the bushings for this rebuild that weren't there when I was still running solid flat-tappet lifters w/ splash-lubrication only.
So, my lifter-to-bore clearance will be looser than most people would run, but I'm not having the bushings replaced at this point. It is what it is...
The RB 451 block I have machined for a new build still has unbushed lifter bores, but they're a bit tighter than the 452's worn bushed bores. My lobe lift is .433 (.650" gross w/ 1.5s), which seems fine to use w/ the IMMs and the unbushed 451 block, so I'm not feeling any great need to have that one bushed, too.
Regardless, just my post-caffeine "brain dump" of the morning.
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: Joey Johnson]
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08/18/16 05:15 PM
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In stock unbushed blocks I have used: Crower (30 years ago) Crane std Comp 829, new and old style Herbert Howards
I've never had an issue with any of those.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: Drop in solid roller lifters for stock block 440
[Re: Joey Johnson]
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08/25/16 10:55 PM
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I picked up a set of the Comp Sportsman 96829 lifters. Nice looking lifters and they have the dual oiling to the bearing, but contrary to what the catalog says these lifters do not provide pushrod oiling. So buyer beware, if you need pushrod oiling these don't do it even though the catalog makes it sounds like they do. Still a very nice lifter but not exactly what I thought they were.
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