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last yr. for the 413 #212827
02/03/09 11:48 AM
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When was the last year the 413 was manufactured?

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: wings471] #212828
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perty sure that the last year it was used in cars was 65, however I beleive that it was still used in trucks and campers after that

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: poly] #212829
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Yes, it was made up into the 70's typically for motor homes. Why they didn't just go to 440's I have no idea, maybe to aid in cyl wall thickness in an attempt to keep them running cooler in HD applications?

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #212830
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1973 to be exact.

And the reason for the 413 ...was that it was a better motor(for the application) .. than the 440 was.

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: dOc …] #212831
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better in what way doc? Unless the casting was heavier/thicker what advantage would it have over a 440? Milage?

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #212832
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SSH .. The block was heftier, the heads were THE BEST for an RV or truck(although junk for HP), cooling system was overkill ....and I have been told that ALL the cranks were flame-hardened.

And how about that COOLANT-heated intake manifold ?

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: dOc …] #212833
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I'm aware of all that, my question is: "Why not incorporate all of that into a 440"?


Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #212834
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I don't know .... but they dropped the 413 becuase it was costing something like 200$ more each to produce.

Have you ever really looked at those heads ...and water pump assembly ?

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: dOc …] #212835
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Yea, I own a set, pretty much over engineered as you said

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #212836
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Quote:

Yea, I own a set, pretty much over engineered as you said





What are you going to do with the heads you have ? ..... I am going to have a set flowed and have them modified to a "swirl-port" design for my two different motorhomes.

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: dOc …] #212837
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I should have worded that diferently. They aren't actually owned by me, they are a customers, I have the entire engine stored in my barn. If you are interested in it I'll find out if he'd sell it and put you guys in touch directly.

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: dOc …] #212838
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Quote:

SSH .. The block was heftier, the heads were THE BEST for an RV or truck(although junk for HP), cooling system was overkill ....and I have been told that ALL the cranks were flame-hardened.

And how about that COOLANT-heated intake manifold ?


Are all 413 blocks thicker or just the mtr home blocks? Reason I ask is I have 63 and a 65 413 block. How much can you bore a 413?

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: pushbutton] #212839
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Some have said .. that the MH 413 block is a thick-wall 440 ... that is only bored to 4.1875.

How far can you go ? .. I plan on doing some sonic-checking myself to get first-hand specifics .. but I have been told that some dead-stock blocks have cyl walls as thick as .250.

The early 413's ? ... are not near as fortunate as that.

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: dOc …] #212840
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I have a 62 413 block that we are using to build a motor for the wife's 64 fury. It came out of a 62 Imperial. I don't recall the actual thickness, but the cylinder walls sonic checked very thick.
We bored it .060 over to 426 size, but could've gone to 440 size without a problem.

Re: last yr. for the 413 [Re: G_bob] #212841
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I've got a fresh rebuilt 413 MH engine sitting here in the corner. the guy had it rebuilt for his grain truck, and then passed away. not a mile on it. anybody interested? I got ahold of a 426 street wedge from another member here, and have moved on past the 413 "idea".







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