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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: RMCHRGR] #2079585
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2079595
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Plus, who wants a full fuel cell in the car with them when it should/could be outside. I once saw a full fuel exterior tank unhinge and fly across the highway and explode one night at a big $$$ run and thank god it wasn't inside the trunk. It was on a 4 door 65' Nova that was quite fast.
Stock mountings can sometimes be stealthier and better than aftermarket placements and the plus side is, that you regain room where you need it in a street car. On a race car, it can mean the reverse but still be a safety factor.

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Very nice indeed RMCHGR.
One look by tech and they'll give you the pass.
I'm gonna be all over that Plymouth with my magnifying crystal next time I see it live on the street.
Neat is always a welcome both when looking underneath and working underneath.
When I get a chance, I'll flick some views of the madness in plumbing underneath with my tank as well. It was very hard work, but well worth it now.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: RMCHRGR] #2079773
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Originally Posted By RMCHRGR
A fuel cell has it's place for sure but sounds like I made an OK choice on the tank. Even have the trunk board in. No spare though! Would like to find a decent repro trunk mat, last one I got wasn't even remotely close to the original.

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From the top.

You might check the rule book on how much rubber hose is legal whistling


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Originally Posted By hemi-itis
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A fuel cell has it's place for sure but sounds like I made an OK choice on the tank. Even have the trunk board in. No spare though! Would like to find a decent repro trunk mat, last one I got wasn't even remotely close to the original.

From the bottom.


From the top.

You might check the rule book on how much rubber hose is legal whistling


Could be wrong but I don`t think that`s the rubber they speak of........ realcrazy My bad..............was thinking the bottom pic......

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2079839
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You guys are funny.
RMCHGR, Ultra-lite hose or what ever it's called is legal and super lightweight. Ex$pensive but real durable. I've used it up front by the engine.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: hemi-itis] #2079874
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Originally Posted By hemi-itis

You might check the rule book on how much rubber hose is legal whistling


Yup, Push-Lok is not "rubber".
He's fine


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You guys should get a glimpse at some set ups my friends have made on fast cars using unspecified rubber going through trunk floors with out grommets and using metal worm clamps at all ends. At that point, I was surprised they did not use rubber bands, spit and Elmers glue to keep things in place.
I've kept away from those cars on the next lane.
Cheating neat usually, but not always indicates using good materials and hardware.
Some stock car racers used some rather crude ways back in the day when under pressure, but here with time to think and do, we have the luxury of doing it right and neat.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: hemi-itis] #2079925
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Originally Posted By hemi-itis
You might check the rule book on how much rubber hose is legal whistling


Al, if you are referring to the hose coming from the sump, it's not regular pass car rubber hose, it's super special, hi performance Ricky racer hose. No parts-store worm clamps or cheesy brass fittings, only the best for the Great Pumpkin.

You can do the whole car with this stuff, the guy at Etown wouldn't bat an eye, unless he was flirting with you in the tech line and that would be weird. Read below.

"High-Quality Hose for the (cheap NY heeb) Cost-Conscious Racer

Russell Twist-Lok is the way to go for the enthusiast looking for a quality performance hose while wanting to save assembly time and money. Twist-Lok hose is ideal for most automotive applications where a stainless steel braided line is not necessary. It features an extruded Chlorinated Polyethylene (CPE) compound inner liner that is compatible with most fluids, reinforced fabric braid for flexibility and positive hose end attachment, and high-quality elastomer cover to resist abrasion. Use Twist-Lok hose with Russell Twist-Lok hose end fittings.
Features:
Compatible with hydrocarbon and alcohol based fuels, water systems, synthetic lubricants, and additives
High-quality elastomer cover
Lightweight and excellent flexibility
Pressure rated up to 250 psi
Suitable for most fuel and oil systems (NOT for power steering use)
Use with Russell Twist-Lok Hose Ends
Approved by NHRA for use in competition"


As for the fill tube connection with the hose, I would say it's D.O.T. type stuff and quite burly. There is very little gap between the tube and the tank inside anyway so it's mostly there to keep things snug.

The OE fill tube has a baffle inside with a little tongue sticking out the end.


I tried to simulate the original as best as I could. Here's a pic after it was cut and re-shaped...


Here's how it looks under the hose. The tubing sections are closer together when bolted down, they pretty much butt together. The angle of the tube coming out the tank is different than the fill tube, hence the need for the hose. Not sure why the guys that make the tank can't clock the angle correctly to match the fill tube but this is the way it it comes.


We good?


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: RMCHRGR] #2079934
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Looks good to me.
The factory back when made all kinds of concessions to keep the assembly time and line moving. That there looks proper.
You should see how the angle of the 65' filler tubes compare to their tank mate. The gasket barely seals it, but I made some of my own concessions to make it dessert dry and sealed.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #2080192
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I have the same tank in my Dart, NHRA tech required me to have a rear firewall because of it.

Just something to think about.


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Was it because of the material used to make the tank?
This is not in the trunk anymore you know.
Not discounting your heads up about NHRA's rules, but I can't see that tank penetrating the trunk floor and coming into the pilots compartment.

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RMCHGR, Those worm clamps stainless? I know where to get some Titanium types.
Never mind, I'm crazy. LOL.

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Originally Posted By Triple Threat
I have the same tank in my Dart, NHRA tech required me to have a rear firewall because of it.

Just something to think about.


I still have a back seat and no roll bar. (yet)

Only thing I can guess as to why you would need a rear firewall would be because it's not an OE part. Other than that, kind of makes no sense but what do I know. Guess we will see when I get to the track this summer.


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Originally Posted By fullmetaljacket
Was it because of the material used to make the tank?
This is not in the trunk anymore you know.
Not discounting your heads up about NHRA's rules, but I can't see that tank penetrating the trunk floor and coming into the pilots compartment.


The area where the rubber connects the filler neck to the tank is considered "In the drivers compartment" Per NHRA. Your experience may vary, I never had an issue until I entered a large NHRA run Divisional event. Not just a weekly bracket race or test and tune, those I had no issue at.


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Originally Posted By Triple Threat
Originally Posted By fullmetaljacket
Was it because of the material used to make the tank?
This is not in the trunk anymore you know.
Not discounting your heads up about NHRA's rules, but I can't see that tank penetrating the trunk floor and coming into the pilots compartment.


The area where the rubber connects the filler neck to the tank is considered "In the drivers compartment" Per NHRA. Your experience may vary, I never had an issue until I entered a large NHRA run Divisional event. Not just a weekly bracket race or test and tune, those I had no issue at.



There are no divisional meets on my horizon, I'll be lucky if I get the car back out this century so I won't worry about it much. Point taken though, thanks for the heads up. I will be happy if it becomes an issue down the road.


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Aha, I can now see the issue. Triple threat, good point brought up if in deep competition.

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So it now seems like the production of aluminum non adjustable front strut bars is over for the reasons of low demand.
Anyone know where to get 'em as left over stock?
My friend is looking for a pair for a B-body. I might get an extra pair myself for the shelves.

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I saw some good trick engineering yesterday at the F.A.S.T muscle palooza race at Lebanon.
Some of those cars make me look like an Altar boy in comparison to what they are tricking with. I'll take the fifth on this one until they themselves news break it first. LOL.

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Originally Posted By Triple Threat
Originally Posted By fullmetaljacket
Was it because of the material used to make the tank?
This is not in the trunk anymore you know.
Not discounting your heads up about NHRA's rules, but I can't see that tank penetrating the trunk floor and coming into the pilots compartment.


The area where the rubber connects the filler neck to the tank is considered "In the drivers compartment" Per NHRA. Your experience may vary, I never had an issue until I entered a large NHRA run Divisional event. Not just a weekly bracket race or test and tune, those I had no issue at.


That may be one of the dumbest interpretations of a rule I have ever heard.


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