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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2077883
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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2077884
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I am thinking Summit hired holley efi guru and got up to speed faster than anyone.

Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2077949
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Wasn't Jason working and wrenching in the shop for WJ when he was on top of the world....??


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: E-Ticket] #2077960
05/21/16 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted By E-Ticket
Wasn't Jason working and wrenching in the shop for WJ when he was on top of the world....??


Anderson came from WJ. AFAIK Line was working for a NASCAR team.


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: slantzilla] #2077985
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Originally Posted By slantzilla
Originally Posted By E-Ticket
Wasn't Jason working and wrenching in the shop for WJ when he was on top of the world....??


Anderson came from WJ. AFAIK Line was working for a NASCAR team.


ok... I knew Greg worked for WJ but thought Jason was there also...? About the time Greg left WJ is about the time Warren seem to start falling off the map. Seemed to me that Greg or Jason played a heavy role in the cylinder heads, tire and chassis tuning if I'm not mistaken?


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2078023
05/22/16 12:16 AM
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WJ claimed that Greg took all his secrets when he left. If he did Warren should've written them down because he sucked afterwards. IMO the Black teams have worked harder/spent more money to figure it out than other teams.

Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: pittsburghracer] #2078107
05/22/16 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
V. Gaines is really struggling and is giving up about .16 in the first round tomorrow against the Summit car. I hope he doesn't end up losing his sponsor.


V sponsorship deal has to do with providing lubricates for his trucking business....

V is not hurting for money...lol..


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2078111
05/22/16 04:56 AM
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Jason was the dyno guy for Joe Gibbs before joining Anderson.


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2078226
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Said this before, but nobody seems to want to listen........JASON LINE does all the tuning on the Summit cars. It's NOT Bo Butner. It's NOT John Meaney, it's Jason, plain and simple. He is a very smart guy and picked it up very fast. It's fuel, air and spark, just like it always been, but too many akin EFI to rocket science and Jason didn't. He took it for what it was.............Told me he barely even knew how to turn on a computer before.........LOL.

We(Holley) have had people at every race and virtually every test session, so we kinda know who does what as far as tuning and you see QUICK, who is good and who is not. AJ is struggling with the tuning

Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: Monte_Smith] #2078244
05/22/16 01:40 PM
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I know that Jason does the tuning on them.. all
I stated before was Anderson said Bo is real sharp
on EFI.. where he picked it up from I have no clue
but it was also said that Bo was helping Jason
on at least parts of it early on.... where did Bo
learn it from.. and Anderson said he stays clear of
the tuning since he knows very little at this time..
but I'm sure he is catching on even if he is just
watching
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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: Monte_Smith] #2078304
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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
Said this before, but nobody seems to want to listen........JASON LINE does all the tuning on the Summit cars. It's NOT Bo Butner. It's NOT John Meaney, it's Jason, plain and simple. He is a very smart guy and picked it up very fast. It's fuel, air and spark, just like it always been, but too many akin EFI to rocket science and Jason didn't. He took it for what it was.............Told me he barely even knew how to turn on a computer before.........LOL.

We(Holley) have had people at every race and virtually every test session, so we kinda know who does what as far as tuning and you see QUICK, who is good and who is not. AJ is struggling with the tuning


I feel fairly certain that a person like Jason could probably step in on the other programs and make some positive things happen....


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2078309
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I'm wanting to say that I heard this from an interview with Erica that they are struggling with cooling and that the lack of cooling across the top of the heads is burning up their engines....?? I haven't been on here much lately on the Pro Stock talk but has anyone else heard that??


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: E-Ticket] #2078550
05/23/16 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted By E-Ticket
I'm wanting to say that I heard this from an interview with Erica that they are struggling with cooling and that the lack of cooling across the top of the heads is burning up their engines....?? I haven't been on here much lately on the Pro Stock talk but has anyone else heard that??
If she REALLY said that publicly, somebody is likely in trouble................because somebody in the shop was just yanking her chain for fun. Definitely NOT true

Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: Monte_Smith] #2078558
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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
Originally Posted By E-Ticket
I'm wanting to say that I heard this from an interview with Erica that they are struggling with cooling and that the lack of cooling across the top of the heads is burning up their engines....?? I haven't been on here much lately on the Pro Stock talk but has anyone else heard that??
If she REALLY said that publicly, somebody is likely in trouble................because somebody in the shop was just yanking her chain for fun. Definitely NOT true


Agreed but I'm fairly certain it was her that said that? Seems to me that it was a weekend that they had gone through all their bullets and the last one was in for eliminations?


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2078679
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I remember that comment on FS1 also. You could tell she wanted her Bowtie back. stirthepot

Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2078712
05/23/16 10:49 AM
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Looks like Allen and his team found some things this past weekend. They got within a hundredth of the top teams on race day. It will be interesting to see how it translates to the east coast tracks where the air is typically better. The top guys will probably be low 50's there if the highs remain in the mid-upper 70's.

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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: Adrielp] #2078726
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Anyone notice that the cowl area on the Chevy ps cars seems higher then stock, or are my eyes fooling me. Not saying that has any effect et wise because the other Chevy teams are struggling also but the Chevy hoods don't seem as flat as the mopars.


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2078773
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Doesn't matter, they ALL run the same EXACT intake ducting.......so the hood doesn't matter

Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: Monte_Smith] #2078787
05/23/16 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
Doesn't matter, they ALL run the same EXACT intake ducting.......so the hood doesn't matter


Will it affect aerodynamics any? shruggy


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Re: Mopar Pro Stockers [Re: unknown] #2078794
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Here is the VERY simple deal on this. Pro-Stock motors are VERY specific animals and few people know a LOT about tuning them really. Some of these teams have hired and fired some of the BEST EFI tuners on the planet. The difference is, these guys don't KNOW Pro-Stock motors. Now these tuners can and WILL figure it out, but patience is NOT a virtue in this class...............Now on the flip side, you have a guy like Jason Line who knows Pro-Stock motors in and out, PLUS, he caught on to the EFI thing VERY quickly. They SHOULD be way ahead and are. Hard to tune something you know nothing about and go right to the front.

I tune a LOT of EFI stuff. Could I immediately take a turbo car with the same stuff and make it run as fast as Steve Petty does........ hell NO. Might figure it out eventually, but might take a while. On the flip side, Steve Petty is likely the best turbo tuner on the planet. Would he expect to take a Pro-Nitrous car to the front the first time he touched it......NO. Then you have great all around tuners like Shane T, the guys at EFI University and others. NONE of those people have EVER tuned an EFI Pro-Stock motor, because there has never been one. Going to take time

PLUS and this may be the biggest PLUS of all..........everyone is immediately thinking the EFI is the issue. Maybe, maybe not. It COULD be that the KB racing cars just found some HP, as Pro-Stock teams are prone to do from season to season. They have done it before, Elite did it for a couple years. Mike Edwards was the "man" for a couple years and so on.

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