Brake questions
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Hi all, I picked up a disc brake set up with spindles calipers brackets and rotors off a 71 satelite wagon. These are the pin type caliper with 11in rotors. Question is will this bolt up to my 68 R/R with 11 in drums without issues?? Thanks.
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Re: Brake questions
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Re: Brake questions
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Thanks for the quick reply Andrew. I will tear it down and mock it up then get new calipers( rebuilt) I am sure and rotors. Cant wait to get rid of the drums. I will also add an adjustable prop vale and residual pressure valve F&R.
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Re: Brake questions
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Thanks for the tip on the RPV in the front. I did a conversion on my 67 malibu and just added the prop valve and a RPV in the rear and it works well. If you look at the Speedway catalogue it says to use one in the front ckt but I am not convinced. IIRC its 10 psi rear and 5 psi front. They are easy to install so if needed I can put one in at a later date. Thanks again...
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Re: Brake questions
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as i understand the use of these valves, you must take the system used into consideration. i stand by my original response when the master is mounted below the height of the caliper and wheel cylinder to prevent drain back. however, there are certainly instances when these valves must be used. if you remember many, many posts here, when converting to disc brakes on the rear, the typical response has been to "remove the RPV from the front port in your firewall mounted master cylinder". the way to check this is to use a small drill bit to see if there is a "springy" valve behind the seat where the rear lines attach. to remove this valve, you screw in a small sheet metal screw and use either a pry bar or a slide hammer to remove the seat. then you remove the spring and [usually] rubber cup. you then re-install the seat. no need to have the RPV on the calipers because the o-rings limit push back of the piston[s]. how many times have we heard about problems encountered with drag on disc brakes because the pressure doesn't fully release for what ever reason ? no need to compound this problem with a RPV in the line. now drum brakes [may] need a 10# valve to keep a little pressure behind the cups to prevent air ingestion when the brakes are released. nothing more, nothing less. in a typical drum brake cylinder, the seal is known as a "chevron" seal, and only seals against the bore when there is pressure behind it. rapid release of the brake pedal creates a vacuum in the system, which causes the seal to pull away from the cylinder wall, allowing air to enter the cylinder in attempt to relieve the vacuum condition. the 10#[or so] of residual pressure the valve maintains at all times, the valve being either in the master cylinder seat area or an add on valve in the rear line, prevents this from happening. some, if not all, newer replacement wheel cylinders have what is called a "cup expander" behind the seal. it's purpose is to keep the seal against the bore, thus negating the need for a RPV. the total system needs to be looked at to determine if you need these valves or not. if your master is below the floor, such as a hot rod or a race car would use, you need these valves to prevent drain back as i previously stated, and i stand behind that statement. that is also stated in the speedway motors catalog. use a 2# valve for discs [front and/or rear] and a 10# valve for drums. in a firewall mounted master cylinder system, no valves should be required for discs, but if using drums with no "cup expanders" in the wheel cylinders, a RPV must be used. if you are having problems with your brake system, a thorough inspection must be preformed for your safety as well as the safety of others.
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