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Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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I'm really liking the idea of a newer OD transmission for the Challenger build I'm planning, and this setup is going to have somewhere around 600-650 horsepower, maybe a tiny bit more. This is the trans I was looking at: http://www.transdepot.net/46RH-A518-Tran...rH9QaAh9g8P8HAQWhat else do I need to make this work with a 440 that has that kind of power?
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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I have a JW Ultrabell for BBM to 727/518 in my shop. It has an expired SFI tag and has never been used. It comes with a 727 case that has had the bell milled off by a Blanchard mill. All the bolts, O'rings, instructions and the JW "Scare Stickers" come with. I don't need it for my racer (not enough power, I am told) and need to pass it on to someone that does. PM me and we can talk price, I can e-mail pictures.
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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A better choice for installing an overdrive in a Mopar is to use a 200R4 from Extreme Automatics, a Reid SFI rated bellhousing and a US Cartool crossmember kit. Might as well add the entire chassis stiffening kit while you are in there. It makes a world of difference in how the car feels.
Their 200R4 in a Stage 3 configuration will handle over 1000 hp and over 850 ft lbs of torque. The first gear ratio is a lower 2.76, the overdrive is a .67, it takes significantly less power to spin, is lighter and smaller.
The really nice part is that you can run a high stall converter with a 3 carbon fiber disc lock-up clutch in it. Its the closest thing to a 5 speed automatic going.
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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A better choice for installing an overdrive in a Mopar is to use a 200R4 from Extreme Automatics, a Reid SFI rated bellhousing and a US Cartool crossmember kit. Might as well add the entire chassis stiffening kit while you are in there. It makes a world of difference in how the car feels.
Their 200R4 in a Stage 3 configuration will handle over 1000 hp and over 850 ft lbs of torque. The first gear ratio is a lower 2.76, the overdrive is a .67, it takes significantly less power to spin, is lighter and smaller.
The really nice part is that you can run a high stall converter with a 3 carbon fiber disc lock-up clutch in it. Its the closest thing to a 5 speed automatic going. Is this a GM transmission? How well will it work with a Mopar engine
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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I have a JW Ultrabell for BBM to 727/518 in my shop. It has an expired SFI tag and has never been used. It comes with a 727 case that has had the bell milled off by a Blanchard mill. All the bolts, O'rings, instructions and the JW "Scare Stickers" come with. I don't need it for my racer (not enough power, I am told) and need to pass it on to someone that does. PM me and we can talk price, I can e-mail pictures. I would take advantage of that but I'm still in the planning phase, nowhere near ready to start buying parts
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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A better choice for installing an overdrive in a Mopar is to use a 200R4 from Extreme Automatics, a Reid SFI rated bellhousing and a US Cartool crossmember kit. Might as well add the entire chassis stiffening kit while you are in there. It makes a world of difference in how the car feels.
Their 200R4 in a Stage 3 configuration will handle over 1000 hp and over 850 ft lbs of torque. The first gear ratio is a lower 2.76, the overdrive is a .67, it takes significantly less power to spin, is lighter and smaller.
The really nice part is that you can run a high stall converter with a 3 carbon fiber disc lock-up clutch in it. Its the closest thing to a 5 speed automatic going. Is this a GM transmission? How well will it work with a Mopar engine Yes the 200r4 is a GM but works very well and its smaller so it would fit in the tunnel 
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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I have a JW Ultrabell for BBM to 727/518 in my shop. It has an expired SFI tag and has never been used. It comes with a 727 case that has had the bell milled off by a Blanchard mill. All the bolts, O'rings, instructions and the JW "Scare Stickers" come with. I don't need it for my racer (not enough power, I am told) and need to pass it on to someone that does. PM me and we can talk price, I can e-mail pictures. I would take advantage of that but I'm still in the planning phase, nowhere near ready to start buying parts No problem, I will put it on the transmission side of the web site. There are other things I need for my projects.
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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A better choice for installing an overdrive in a Mopar is to use a 200R4 from Extreme Automatics, a Reid SFI rated bellhousing and a US Cartool crossmember kit. Might as well add the entire chassis stiffening kit while you are in there. It makes a world of difference in how the car feels.
Their 200R4 in a Stage 3 configuration will handle over 1000 hp and over 850 ft lbs of torque. The first gear ratio is a lower 2.76, the overdrive is a .67, it takes significantly less power to spin, is lighter and smaller.
The really nice part is that you can run a high stall converter with a 3 carbon fiber disc lock-up clutch in it. Its the closest thing to a 5 speed automatic going. Is this a GM transmission? How well will it work with a Mopar engine Yes the 200r4 is a GM but works very well and its smaller so it would fit in the tunnel Cool, I will definitely keep that in mind. Does it require any computer or electrical control? Where would I find the parts necessary for the swap
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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A better choice for installing an overdrive in a Mopar is to use a 200R4 from Extreme Automatics, a Reid SFI rated bellhousing and a US Cartool crossmember kit. Might as well add the entire chassis stiffening kit while you are in there. It makes a world of difference in how the car feels.
Their 200R4 in a Stage 3 configuration will handle over 1000 hp and over 850 ft lbs of torque. The first gear ratio is a lower 2.76, the overdrive is a .67, it takes significantly less power to spin, is lighter and smaller.
The really nice part is that you can run a high stall converter with a 3 carbon fiber disc lock-up clutch in it. Its the closest thing to a 5 speed automatic going. Is this a GM transmission? How well will it work with a Mopar engine Yes the 200r4 is a GM but works very well and its smaller so it would fit in the tunnel Cool, I will definitely keep that in mind. Does it require any computer or electrical control? Where would I find the parts necessary for the swap No
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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I have a JW Ultrabell for BBM to 727/518 in my shop. It has an expired SFI tag and has never been used. It comes with a 727 case that has had the bell milled off by a Blanchard mill. All the bolts, O'rings, instructions and the JW "Scare Stickers" come with. I don't need it for my racer (not enough power, I am told) and need to pass it on to someone that does. PM me and we can talk price, I can e-mail pictures. The JW ultrabell requires a 10" converter - so make sure to plan that into your budget as well
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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The JW ultrabell requires a 10" converter - so make sure to plan that into your budget as well [/quote] i'm guessing smaller than a 10" will work as well ? i'm looking to use a 9 or 9 1/2" [a super tight 8" is a very remote possibility, but i'm not sure anyone makes an 8" that wouldn't overheat a bunch using an od transmission].  [/quote] I'm running a 8" 5000 stall in my 518.. so far its fine EDIT it has 9% slippage in OD... it might be different now after having it worked on
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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How is the GM transmission superior to the 518 so far as design and functionality go? With some work it can take more power... its lighter and is a smaller unit
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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Sounds good to me, what's required to get it to work with the car besides a proper bell housing
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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Sounds good to me, what's required to get it to work with the car besides a proper bell housing Fab up a trans mount bracket and a drive shaft.. and the shifter
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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The 200R4, in the state you need, has almost no original GM parts (much like a Ford 9" differential uses no Ford parts). All the big stuff is replaced with aftermarket - hence the steep price. Yes, it's in those 9 seconds Buick GNX V6 turbo cars, but it's only there temporarily (if you grasp my drift). Unfortunately, it needs adjustment and rebuild more frequently than a 518. The friction area, shaft diameters, bearing sizes etc. are just too small. Except for the clearance problem, the strongest OD automatic is the 4L80E (based on the 1964 Turbo-Hydramatic 400), and even this needs non-GM parts to live. I have a few more remarks on my site: http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/aod.htm
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Re: Planning A-518/46RH Swap
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How is the GM transmission superior to the 518 so far as design and functionality go? Biggest thing is the OD is internal instead of hanging off the back.
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