If you read my post, I have a head over at TD right now...they have to do engineering, mock up on 2 different rocker kits...give it some time.
Brian

Look, if you only look at flow numbers, your not getting it! The architecture of the head is where the power will come from...i.e. raised intake port, flatter 16° valve angle, tight 58 cc chamber, intake valve moved WAY over...for me we'll let the engine tell us if this new head is much better or not but even if it's marginally better, bolts on, and is a non porous casting it's a win.

Brian

...and hence my reason from staying clear of the Indy's back when I liquidated the W5s... heard from one too many on issues, and IF there was a set of heads that was junk, you can bet I'd end up with it!

The only price I've seen floating around has been on Hughs website. Looks like a major investment by time you add the piston and rocker costs. Over 3200.00 with valves.

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/produ...mp;partid=26914

"You will split a small block at anything over 600hp " thing gets beat to death on here, so I asked one time: hey Guys, post up your photos of a "broken" LA or Magnum block:


Crickets.

Those things get run at County Fairs with NO oil and brick on the pedal for 25 minutes and they never "split" a block. The roots of these blocks were used in trucking; long before diesel power replaced them. Now that's abuse.



The way I see it, you can buy at least 6 maybe even 8 LA/Magnum blocks for the cost of a one race block and beat the ever-loving daylights out of them.

WhiteDart used to have "Indy sprinkler heads" stickers on his quarter windows after 2 go arounds with the 360-1 245 heads

Thanks for the info Brian please let us know how these work out for you.

Thanks Brian. Did you send a milled stand head from Edelbrock? Rick milled mine and said he would offer that head as a seperate part number. I need to make sure that what he milled mine is the standard for which T&D is making stands.

A 225cc runner that flows what a 245cc Indy runner does. Yep, doesn't look any better to me either.

Looks like a fun project. The bolt pattern on the exhaust seems wrong to me. Wonder what the designer was thinking there? The other choices on the head seem to make sense.

It is wrong. Rick sent me pics of when he machined the first sets. I ask him about them and if they raised the exhaust bolt holes enough when the port was raised. He doubled checked and they didn't. He told me TTI was already making headers based on the wrong position, so they weren't going to change it. He did say he had Cometic making an exhaust gasket for the pattern. He also said a standard W5 gasket will fit, and just barely not cover the port, but does bias the header to the bottom of the port.

I stated that same issue(the exhaust bolts) right from the
moment I seen them.. mainly due to the fact I am a exhaust
guy

Aren't you supposed to measure twice ?

Its nice to see things happening on these heads, but I think things are way too early to foster out thoughts after getting jacked around for 3-4 years and then have to pay a premium for the product.

Pro comp needs to get a set of these off to the china man so I can get a set for $1500 to play with next year.

That exhaust pattern wouldn't bother me and is an easy fix. Sonic check the head and drill and tap the holes where-ever you want them. I would go a step further and install keenserts at least in the new holes.

The problem is that they are making headers based
on the bolt location it is now.. so if you change
the bolt location you will be building a new flange
and welding it on... its a shame they didnt change
the bolt location before they released the head..
any exhaust guy would have seen that in a blink

I totally see your point but from their point of view what pattern would really the best. I have both Hedmen W2 headers and standard bolt pattern hedmens. The exhaust ports on both stock small block heads and Edelbrocks are poorly designed which makes for a limited header tube size (and flow). I like my Hedmens but had to do some major tube reshaping with a 4 pound hammer just to clear the oil pan. This week I will be moving 2 tubes just to get clearance for an engine diaper which we all (10.99 and quicker) will be doing soon. kinda sucks to have to modify parts but by now most of us are used to it. Unless you have the money to pay someone else to do. My limited funds and pride won't allow me to do that. Really 3 tubes need moved but I paid an extra 150 dollars for a ballistic one the can also touch the headers.

If they would have moved both bolt holes up so that
the bolts split the port in half.. now the top has
less clamping load

No, I'm letting TD mill one head how THEY want it...the parameters that Sheldon and I talked about were:
Single shaft setup for OOTB heads, bolt on kit that will go at least .750 lift at the valve...
Bar/individuals to allow at least .850 lift at the valve...

I doubt one set has been made. And how hard would it be to put the flange holes in a new position. The head maker didn't want to move the hole on the head. Sorry for hating.

Its up to the head builder.. sounds like they
wont be moving them... so it is what it is..
hope the flanges are thick on the headers