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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: JERICOGTX] #2060210
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Wishful thinking here.
Edelbrock is well invested in their various heads for the small and big block right? and stand to lose once a drought of blocks for those heads take hold right?
Why Edelbrock not just bite the bullet and mock up molds and go forward with block production of their own. They most probably have the capital. From there on, Chrysler can do what ever it wants and then maybe follow in the steps and come back with production. An abundance of blocks would be the result for us all.

Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060234
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The Edelbrock small block and big block heads fit factory blocks, which are cheap and plentiful right? That has got to be were their big sales numbers come from. Only the hard core guys are buying NEW wedge blocks.

As far as their new Hemi Power Package, I don't have any idea where the blocks will come from. Original blocks are scarce. If you buy a new Indy block, why not get Indy heads? So who will supply blocks for all the E-Brock Hemi heads?


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060237
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there's been some Hemi blocks trickling out over the last few months Joel... and a long time ago the RB blocks you could order and it would show a back order status which was a glimmer of hope that just maybe they'd do another run sometime. R3 you try and order and it just kicks back as NS1 (no more production)

Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060238
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This just still boils down to Return On Investment for anyone/company producing blocks. Sad, but true.


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060239
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yep.... the R3 days there were actually people involved with race series that used the piece, the sponsors left, parts advanced to the next level, and basically left the R3 stuff to hobbiest. It took many years before I could swing a build around one.... and not many do.

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I'm talking about Edelbrock blocks that cater to their line of heads.
Maybe buy the pattern from Chrysler or at least go into an agreement with them to produce for them instead of all these inconsistent start up companies that have faulted for one reason or the other.
Imagine a good quality stock block in light alloy and iron. I'd have a couple standing till I needed them. Eventually 440's are going to get hard to find. 340's are hard to find in good, unworn condition. 400's are not so in abundance and that leaves only the 383's.
The Elephants are just as rare as a Unicorn.

Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060261
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the "higher end" mopar builders are just as rare as a unicorn from a return on investment standpoint. we're doomed!! smile

Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060337
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Edelbrock or any other reputable company would probably do it, IF they knew they could sell enough(thousands)to justify the expense.


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060346
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Fear not they make Pontiac race parts. Big demand right there?
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The problem is Chrysler/FCA releasing the rights
to build it... if they would someone would build it
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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2060460
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Edelbrock don't build a GM Block, why on earth would they build a Mopar block first?


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: dvw] #2060480
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Originally Posted By dvw
Fear not they make Pontiac race parts. Big demand right there?
Doug
There is probably more demand for BB Poncho than Mopar BB. And guess what? They have aftermarket aluminum blocks 3000hp capable for $3995. That is unheard of in the Massively Overpriced Parts Auto Racing community.
http://www.butlerperformance.com/products/engines_assemblies/aluminum.html


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 72Swinger] #2060506
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Originally Posted By 72Swinger
Originally Posted By dvw
Fear not they make Pontiac race parts. Big demand right there?
Doug
There is probably more demand for BB Poncho than Mopar BB. And guess what? They have aftermarket aluminum blocks 3000hp capable for $3995. That is unheard of in the Massively Overpriced Parts Auto Racing community.
http://www.butlerperformance.com/products/engines_assemblies/aluminum.html


the thing with the pontiac stuff is, one size fits all. 326-455 share the same block structure.

with the mopar stuff, you have guys that want a small block, and guys that want a big block. then it's iron vs aluminum.
which one do you build, in order to turn a profit?


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060532
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Pontiac is also a "Legend" company now since they no longer exist. So when Fiat milks "Chrysler" for all its worth and it also becomes "Legend", then maybe we will get some good blocks? Look at all the flack Ritter caught on here, yeah that makes people really want to cater to this crowd.


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060656
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Do most ov us REALLY need an aftermarket small block? Whats the upper HP limit on a 340 block?

Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: Pale_Roader] #2060676
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Originally Posted By Pale_Roader

Do most ov us REALLY need an aftermarket small block? Whats the upper HP limit on a 340 block?


Really, your questioning why we need them? I guess ignorance is bliss.

And 600hp is about the limit of the stock block if you want it to stay alive more than a season or two. Which is so easily attainable with Indy heads or W8 heads, its almost a grenade on borrowed time if you build one with a stock block, let alone use any kind of power adder.

What really sucks here is the after market has been so slow to pick up the Mopar stuff and bring it to the next level...From what I have been seeing, its never going to happen. I have talked to some vendors, and it always seems to be the same answers, the Mopar people don't spend the money, at least not in the respects that the loyalists from other brands do.


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 72Swinger] #2060680
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Originally Posted By 72Swinger
Look at all the flack Ritter caught on here, yeah that makes people really want to cater to this crowd.
I can tell you didnt plop down 3k plus for no-talent machining paperweight.

Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 71Pan] #2060713
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It's a bitter sweet time to be a small block guy, we have the heads to make some serious steam and a very small, shrinking supply of blocks.

As Dragula mentioned for the most part Mopar guys are cheap a$$es. It's almost like one of the commercials on tv about the "settlers", as a whole we're settlers. On one of the other Mopar forums I visit it's unbelievable how many guys comment about how good our iron heads and purple shafts are, no matter that they are 30-50 year old technology. Many, many times on there I've seen questions about heads or cams and the same guys always pile on with stuff like "XX iron heads will out flow YY aluminum heads and there is always a purple shaft that is perfect for every application. IMO we're lucky to have the aftermarket support we do.

Do we REALLY need an aftermarket small block? Pale_Roader, really?? That just blows me away! Obviously you don't and most likely never will. This just reaffirms my paragraph above. Settlers, yep.

Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: Pale_Roader] #2060740
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Originally Posted By Pale_Roader

Do most ov us REALLY need an aftermarket small block? Whats the upper HP limit on a 340 block?


When the HP potential of current cylinder heads is higher than stock block limitations, i believe that speaks for itself.
Most resto & your average street/strip car probably doesn't need an aftermarket block, but these days 600-650 HP is fairly easy to achieve & stock blocks were never engineered to run safe/reliable at or beyond that level.


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Re: Mopar done making wedge blocks [Re: 72Swinger] #2060742
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Originally Posted By 72Swinger
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Fear not they make Pontiac race parts. Big demand right there?
Doug
There is probably more demand for BB Poncho than Mopar BB. And guess what? They have aftermarket aluminum blocks 3000hp capable for $3995. That is unheard of in the Massively Overpriced Parts Auto Racing community.
http://www.butlerperformance.com/products/engines_assemblies/aluminum.html

There is more demand for a Pontiac block? I haven't seen a handful of Pontiac powered cars at the track in years. I would bet the BB Mopar has a larger following than even the 429/460 Ford as well. The trouble is as bad as people say the stock blocks are they still power a lot of race/street hot rods. There were a lot of them built, plenty left out there cheap. Try and find a good stock 455 Pontiac block. Once the supply of stock blocks drys up things might change.
Doug

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