Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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I had a local shop build a hemi shortblock for me and I am re-assembling it now,(had to take it apart due to insufficient rod side clearance)they set the piston to wall clearance at 0065 ,at their discretion,I did not have a spec sheet from arias.I called arias today and the guy there said the pistons are 4032 and should be run at 0025.What now?,do I order new pistons,have the skirts coated on these ones or just run it? this is a stock street/restoration engine,4.26 bore 3.75 stroke....... I`d be having them make it right then find another machine shop........
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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I`d be having them make it right then find another machine shop........ Wont happen,nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore,but I am done with them for sure...
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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04/06/16 03:59 PM
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I'd run it. .006-.008 is pretty common on forged pistons. Like was already mentioned, coat it if your really concerned. Good luck
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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I`d be having them make it right then find another machine shop........ Wont happen,nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore,but I am done with them for sure... The clearance on the pistons is not the only reason why I`d look elsewhere, it`s the too tight rod clearances also..........they got it all backwards period.............
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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I`d be having them make it right then find another machine shop........ Wont happen,nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore,but I am done with them for sure... The clearance on the pistons is not the only reason why I`d look elsewhere, it`s the too tight rod clearances also..........they got it all backwards period............. For sure. As I'm sure you know, tight rod side clearance can lead to a major failure. If your piston to wall is a little loose, it's no worse off than it would have been with some normal wear in a couple years. $1200+/- for a new set of slugs is more than I would spend to solve a minor problem that probably won't be noticeable other than a little noise when its cold. I've assembled engines putting used pistons back in their bores after a straighten up hone that had .010+ clearance with no issue except noise. Not ideal, but not a disaster either.
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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04/06/16 04:50 PM
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FOr ours we followed JE instructions and got a 0.005" skirt clearance for our 4" bore JE pistons. So honed to 4.005".
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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Dosent .0025 sound tight for a forged piston???
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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I have no personal experience with them, but I have read that 4032 aluminum has more silicone than traditional forged pistons so they expand 15% less. Thus they can be run tighter.
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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Do you know the Compression Distance on the Piston ? or the break point on the skirt ?(pin center DOWN to the tang end) While 4032 alloys do run tighter than 2618 alloys, I would not really sweat the .0065 Clrc on a long skirt like a stock type piston, which sounds like you have ? A little high yes, but for stock street type stuff generally speaking, 4032 cam & barrel stuff goes in around .0030" to .0035", with an additional .001" to .003" advised depending on rpm, compression, nitrous or boost(4032 are only good for very light N02 or boost anyways). They might rattle a bit at .0065", but they'll run fine, 20W-50 maybe to quiet them down ?
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Re: arias hemi piston/wall clearance issue........
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Yep! Not gonna be a problem.
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