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1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? #201692
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I need an idler arm for a '71 Imp Le Baron, but I can't find it anywhere. But RockAuto has an idler arm for Chryslers. Is it the same, or not? If not, where do I find one for the Imp? Thanks for any help


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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: BobAsh] #201693
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An Imperial Lebaron IS a Chrysler.
Actually, Chrysler Imperial and Lebaron is the trim level.
In the U.S. Anyhow.

Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: abodyman] #201694
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Axtually Imp was a seperate division.Thats why they have the odd bolt patter that is bigger than a C body.I believe the idler is Imperial specific as a guy bought my 70 just for the idler.Last I heard they were in the 500 buck range for one.Rocky


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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: BobAsh] #201695
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I think Steer and Gear in Columbus, OH can rebuild them.

Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: Michael] #201696
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check out this site to search for Imperial info. I've found it very helpful in the past; http://www.imperialclub.com/

Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: BobAsh] #201697
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1968 and older are Imperials, they were made by Chrysler but they have many different features than a New Yorker or Newport, 69 and up are merely Chryslers of a higher price class.

71 Imperial parts should be the same as 71 Chrysler

Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: MO_PA] #201698
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I was under the impression that the break was between 1966 and 1967 model years. Exactly when is not germane to the 1971 idler arm discussion at hand.

Although not universally embraced, it is widely held that "D" body is the designation for the Imperial Division cars for 1966 and prior. Here is some reading on the subject, with what appears to be the most definitive position at the very bottom of the page as stated by Gil Cunningham.


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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: 68HemiB] #201699
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The idler arm is different. The whole front suspension is different than a chrysler.

Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: BobAsh] #201700
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C-body idler geometry is different. The whole front end is diff.

69-73 Imperial are the same. PN 2835853. Good luck finding that. Frank M may have them (I know...). Chances are, you'll need yours rebushed if it's been driven like that for awhile. I cannot recommend a rebuilder. Arizona Parts will do them for about $200 .

Let us know how you go...

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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: 68HemiB] #201701
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Quote:

Your 1971 Imperial should take a C body idler arm.

I was under the impression that the break was between 1966 and 1967 model years. Exactly when is not germane to the 1971 idler arm discussion at hand.

Although not universally embraced, it is widely held that "D" body is the designation for the Imperial Division cars for 1966 and prior. Here is some reading on the subject, with what appears to be the most definitive position at the very bottom of the page as stated by Gil Cunningham.




Until 1966, the Imperial had nothing in common with C-body, as it was body on frame instead of unibody. 67 and newer are basically a bigger C-bodies, but I had a feeling that they were still different enough not to share some of the parts. And it seems that the feeling was right...


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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: A38s!] #201702
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C-body idler geometry is different. The whole front end is diff.

69-73 Imperial are the same. PN 2835853. Good luck finding that. Frank M may have them (I know...). Chances are, you'll need yours rebushed if it's been driven like that for awhile. I cannot recommend a rebuilder. Arizona Parts will do them for about $200 .

Let us know how you go...




Eh, not very good news. Especially as I am in Europe and American-based rebuilders are very impractical to me


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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: BobAsh] #201703
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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: MO_PA] #201704
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Check this out.

http://www.racepages.com/parts/idler_arm/chrysler/imperial.html




They have this bushing on RockAuto also. But the guys with the Imp say that the problem is with the ball joint on the idler arm, and that it seems to be non-rebuildable


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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: BobAsh] #201705
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I have an idea... what if we bought Chrysler idler arm, and used ball joint from it on the old Imperial one? Is it the way to rebuild it? The guy who has that Imp is kinda handy, he would be able to do it...


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Re: 1971 Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler? [Re: BobAsh] #201706
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Maybe put a want ad on wecrash the demo derby website there are usually imperial cars and parts for sale on there.

Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler?absolutely not [Re: Y3 70 BEE] #201707
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BobAsh,

Don't listen to guys like MO PA or ABodyman when you need help with an Imperial. The only people on this board that know Imperials (that I can think of off hand) are Claire, Rocky, Carmine, and myself.
Fortunately Rocky offered a correction here.

The entire front subframe is different, and the ball joints,tie rods, rotors,drums, torsion bars and sway bar are all different.

I needed an idler arm too, I had to take mine off and send it to Rare Parts in Stockton CA. It wasn't cheap, cost me $275 but they did a good job of rebuilding it and as long as this car is on the road, it wont need another one.

Dont go to Frank Mitchell, Brads NOS, Ted Stevens or Johnny Rosen if you come across their names. They're all crooks that have scammed from many people on this board.


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It's not a C body
Its not a Chrysler
Re: Imperial idler arm - same as Chrysler?absolutely not [Re: waginator] #201708
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And dont try to put a set of 4 1/2 inch bolt pattern wheels on an Imp.They wont fit.I got 200 bucks for a set of rotors for my 70.The guy also bought my almost new drums for 200 bucks and thought it was cheap.I know one guy that bought a new Idler arm.$450 for it.He was glad to get it.Ive still got a ton of Imp stuff stashed away.Rocky


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