Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: cgall]
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12/30/15 03:05 PM
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If you are serious about fun only, it would be no fun to build a 500" engine and then start breaking clutch and driveline parts. I would use the parts you have and add h-beam rods and forged flat-top pistons. now you have a shortblock that will live through missed shifts and a shot of nitrous if you so desire. I recommend Rob Nixon at Smythe Automotive for any machine or assembly work you may need. Yes!!! I agree!!!!! Been there, done that. If you don't want to open up a huge can of worms I would stick with a 440 ci. I built a monster 505 ci and have been upgrading driveline parts ever since.
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Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: jcastle1]
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12/31/15 12:23 AM
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im gonna be using my six pack setup off my old motor so there's no chance I'll ever be playin with the nitrous. The car already has the Strange S-60 Dana with Spicer 4:10s from Cass (Dr. Diff)as well as their driveshaft with the Chevy u-joints. The 4 speed is tough enough on it's own, so what is there to break with a 505? Yes, my 727 was not up for the task of over 650 ft lbs of torque so I pulled it this fall and upgraded several parts within the trans. I also replaces my 10 year old U joints. Having a significant amount more torque unveiled the shortcomings of old stock parts.
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Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: ccdave]
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01/17/16 04:55 AM
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If you are serious about fun only, it would be no fun to build a 500" engine and then start breaking clutch and driveline parts. I would use the parts you have and add h-beam rods and forged flat-top pistons. now you have a shortblock that will live through missed shifts and a shot of nitrous if you so desire. I recommend Rob Nixon at Smythe Automotive for any machine or assembly work you may need. Yes!!! I agree!!!!! Been there, done that. If you don't want to open up a huge can of worms I would stick with a 440 ci. I built a monster 505 ci and have been upgrading driveline parts ever since. I agree since he is running a stick shift. But I will say that my 63 was running mid 11's with my old 440 and now has run 10.70's and since its an auto car I have not broke any drivetrain parts since I put the 493 in the car in June 2011. Course I dont race every weekend as I only race about twice a year. Its mostly a street driven car that I cruise around in taking it easy most of the time. I am using an 8-3/4 but I want to change to a Dana when I can afford too. My driveshaft uses the bigger U-joints and I bought it from Mancini as I believe the company that made it was called "Victory". Ron
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Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: jcastle1]
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01/17/16 10:17 PM
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Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: jcastle1]
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01/19/16 12:47 AM
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I sent this email to Mancini as well as 440S and Mark Z. If anyone has an opinion, I welcome it! (that's why we're here,right?)
I need a rotating assembly, Car is a 3840 lb b-body 4-speed with an Strange S-60 4.10 gears (spicer) also upgraded driveshaft with HD 1350 joints. Lost my forged crank in a 383 zero decked block,78cc iron heads and TRW domed 12.5-1 pistons. intake side was milled to match the six pack intake.
I now have a 70's 440 block line bored, torque plate honed 0.30 and need a rotating assembly. planning on using arrowhead reconditioned heads (2.14 and 1.81) been in the box for 12 years now. I have a Racer Brown cam #STH-42 Hydraulic 5.20 lift (intake/exhaust) and 254 duration at 0.50" lobe separation intake 105 exhaust 111 separation 108.00 advanced 3.0
I'm going to use the six pack setup again (need an RB Edelbrock 6-pack intake) as well as this Racer brown Cam/lifter that I already have. I need a recommendation as to which stroker kit you would use (MRE440493F84-6B3d) or a 512 kit, or other?
I will also need windage tray,oil pump/oil pan/oil pickup (3/8 or 1/2?),HD timing chain(double roller or true roller?)/chain cover, water pump housing and water pump, and distributor (Mallory Unilite is what I had in the 383)
Goals: I'm looking to build the biggest short block I can afford to enjoy now. The only thing I may add later are budget aluminum heads...
Thanks, John 513-312-2038
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Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: jcastle1]
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01/20/16 01:23 PM
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yes your head choice .... sounds like you wantto build a 500 inch shortblock and you couldn't have chosen a worse head to run ... oh wait , you aren't using junkyard fresh 516's ... ![fan fan](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/fan.gif)
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Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: WS68SSC]
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01/20/16 04:01 PM
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And why are we putting Chevy garbage in a Mopar engine?
440source.com has a lot to offer and knowledge. Because I've been building and racing Mopars a lot longer than Brandon has been selling his kits ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif) I've sold Brandon parts long before he opended his business ![shruggy shruggy](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/shruggy.gif) I'm really glad that he did open and continues to operate 440 Source ![bow bow](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/bow.gif) We Mopar racers need all the help we can get ![thumbs thumbs](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/thumbs.gif) Now as far as "chevy" parts I don't buy anything from GM to use in any of my Mopar motors, it is all race parts design to fit into Chevy motors also, at a lot better price ![shruggy shruggy](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/shruggy.gif) Using a smaller rod journal sizes reduces the rod weight and bearing speed and doesn't dangerously harm the strength of the forged steel crankshafts or rods ![up up](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/thumbs_up.gif) Selecting the best parts available to use when desiging racing motors combination with the best parts availble is the smartest thing to do when racing, correct ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif)
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Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: jcastle1]
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01/21/16 05:30 AM
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Ohio Crankshaft CO, Molnar, Scat and several other crank companys or importers names that are not popping up in my head right now ![shruggy shruggy](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/shruggy.gif) The last three 4.250 and 4.300 stroke cranks that I used in my latest stroker builds where originally 4.150 forge steel imported stroker cranks with BB Mopar rod journal sizes that I bought on the cheap and I had them offset ground down to 2.200 and offset ground to 4.250 and 4.300 stroke here locally by a good machine shop ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif) Lots of different ways to accomplish your goals ![scope scope](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/scope.gif) I've also bought old top fuel cranks with 4.500 stroke with the stock Mopar rod journal sizes and had them ground down and offset destroked to 4.375 ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif) Lots of choices out there ![up up](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/thumbs_up.gif)
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Re: 440 engine build w/existing drivetrain
[Re: WS68SSC]
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01/22/16 01:31 AM
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And why are we putting Chevy garbage in a Mopar engine?
Hmmm. Not sure where to start w this comment....
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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