Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
[Re: BobR]
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Of the 8 tracks I raced at last year, all but two were NHRA or IHRA sanctioned. The two that weren't both had ambulances and paramedics on site.
And the track's janitor cuts you out of the vehicle with a hack saw in say-24 hours. Paramedics know how to save lives but probably don't know much about extracting injured drivers out of race cars. I'll take the NHRA any time over any of them. They are in business to make money. Why is that such a strange notion?
one of the tracks here went to nhra now Ihra and the only thing I seen change was with the license you need to run. Didn't nhra change that they don't cover anything if it's not a nhra santioned event.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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"why are you discussing TF tires?"
Because of Goodyear's commitment to the T/F tires they have been granted the rights to the P/S tire which is a much more profitable venture. What they could do is tell M/T or any of them that if they want to be an NHRA tire supplier they should have to do ALL THE TIRES not just the cream puffs. They wouldn't know where to begin.
sorry Bob but tires or anything else the NHRA does not buy shouldn't be any of their business. next they will be telling you what motor parts you have to run. and the list will go on.
I see your point Tony and if goes any further I will agree with you. The tire deal is this simple. Without Goodyear there would be no T/F racing at it's current level. No other tire company wants anything to do with T/F.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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its a strange notion because 1) NHRA is a "not for profit" organization and.. 2) its an organization that was formed and supposed to support the racers, not support itself.
Theyve lost touch with reality and each move takes them further and further away from it. Theres a line in the Mickey Thompson release that says something to the effect...
“Eliminating the NHRA from our schedule will allow us to focus our attention and resources on faster growing segments of the drag racing community."
that says alot.
also for their (NHRA)'s latest move read this:
http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8981&Itemid=6
Jeff,
I'm not defending any NHRA practices other than the Goodyear exclusive tire rights and only for the reason I explained. M/T knows that there will be a lot of their tires run on NHRA tracks. We run M/T's exclusively and every track we race on is NHRA sanctioned. M/T is out nothing by pulling out.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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also for their (NHRA)'s latest move read this:
http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8981&Itemid=6
HEIL NHRA............my way or no way
"In an ongoing effort to assist in curtailing escalating costs associated with the operation of professional nitromethane category vehicles (Top Fuel and Funny Car), NHRA has implemented the following testing limitations for the 2009 NHRA Full Throttle Drag Racing Series season."
Something wrong with this move?
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
[Re: BobR]
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01/21/09 10:42 PM
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although what you quoted attempts to disguise the ugliness of its policy; reading further brings you to this part I dont care for: NHRA’s definition of testing includes, but is not limited to, any run or attempted run conducted at any track whatsoever, whether or not it is an NHRA track or NHRA-sanctioned track. Exhibitions, match racing, licensing attempts, and the like, are considered testing and will be subject to this testing policy. although it wont affect me, I certainly dont like any organization telling people what to do on their own time. Thats a dictatorship and its a dictatorship thats slowly enslaving those that want to drag race.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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The problem was both MT and Hoosier were working on a tire for PS. MT was informed from a customer that read it on NHRA's web site that their tire was no longer legal for PS. Maybe a would have been nice. Note to self: buy some hacksaw blades.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
[Re: BobR]
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also for their (NHRA)'s latest move read this:
http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8981&Itemid=6
HEIL NHRA............my way or no way
"In an ongoing effort to assist in curtailing escalating costs associated with the operation of professional nitromethane category vehicles (Top Fuel and Funny Car), NHRA has implemented the following testing limitations for the 2009 NHRA Full Throttle Drag Racing Series season."
Something wrong with this move?
Yes there is when they tell you, YOU cant match race, they dont own the company
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
[Re: 5537SG]
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NHRA’s definition of testing includes, but is not limited to, any run or attempted run conducted at any track whatsoever, whether or not it is an NHRA track or NHRA-sanctioned track. Exhibitions, match racing, licensing attempts, and the like, are considered testing and will be subject to this testing policy.
and the hidden agenda! no more NHRA teams running IHRA anymore, THAT would be considered testing! Which would exclude guys like Dan Wilkerson from running IHRA FC (if they have it) as that is Tim's team.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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NHRA’s definition of testing includes, but is not limited to, any run or attempted run conducted at any track whatsoever, whether or not it is an NHRA track or NHRA-sanctioned track. Exhibitions, match racing, licensing attempts, and the like, are considered testing and will be subject to this testing policy.
and the hidden agenda! no more NHRA teams running IHRA anymore, THAT would be considered testing! Which would exclude guys like Dan Wilkerson from running IHRA FC (if they have it) as that is Tim's team.
No fuel or alky F/C in IHRA anymore.
It would affect guys like Clay Millican.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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Coming soon the the NHRA..... the DOT (dragster of tomorrow) All powered by a GM SBC crate engine, powerglide and ford 9" rear end...... Official NHRA "Stickers" will be 19.99 each. Stickers are available in Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, Olsmobile, Dodge, and.....wait for it....Toyota scripts. This will allow racers to "run the car of their choice" Glad my NHRA membership ran out during CLintons first term. Oh, and to comment seriously....as a former Goodyear employee...I can assure you, once goodyear has paid for the mold that makes a tire, weather its a street tire or T/F slick, everything after that is profit. Yeah they have to pay someone to remove the tires form the mold and such, but, whats a T/F tire cost? Alot more than the $29.99 tires for a Ford festiva. This came from Goodyear execs.
I used to care but....... things have changed
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
[Re: 5537SG]
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although what you quoted attempts to disguise the ugliness of its policy; reading further brings you to this part I dont care for:
NHRA’s definition of testing includes, but is not limited to, any run or attempted run conducted at any track whatsoever, whether or not it is an NHRA track or NHRA-sanctioned track. Exhibitions, match racing, licensing attempts, and the like, are considered testing and will be subject to this testing policy.
although it wont affect me, I certainly dont like any organization telling people what to do on their own time. Thats a dictatorship and its a dictatorship thats slowly enslaving those that want to drag race.
I agree that this is a little overstepping.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
[Re: BobR]
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Paramedics know how to save lives but probably don't know much about extracting injured drivers out of race cars
paramedics are trained on how to extract injured people from wrecked vehicles, (so are basic responders and EMT's). each incident that a paramedic comes to, either on the street or at a track, the basics of taking someone out of that vehicle are the same. you think because lets say a dragster wrecks they wouldnt know? you call for the equipment it shows, you cut bars and they come out the same as if it was a passenger sedan on main st.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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Thats true, except the track medics have more training. Nitro and race fuel safety, fire system tech., extracting from a rail or any roll cage system is different than cutting A, B, or C pillars. Race car accidents leave drivers more prone to higher speed injuries. More careful to neck and back possible injuries.
They (NHRA), HAVE to be aware their numbers are really going to start shrinking. Both racers and spectators IMHO.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
[Re: BobR]
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although what you quoted attempts to disguise the ugliness of its policy; reading further brings you to this part I dont care for:
NHRA’s definition of testing includes, but is not limited to, any run or attempted run conducted at any track whatsoever, whether or not it is an NHRA track or NHRA-sanctioned track. Exhibitions, match racing, licensing attempts, and the like, are considered testing and will be subject to this testing policy.
although it wont affect me, I certainly dont like any organization telling people what to do on their own time. Thats a dictatorship and its a dictatorship thats slowly enslaving those that want to drag race.
I agree that this is a little overstepping.
Ya THINK???
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
[Re: 5537SG]
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although what you quoted attempts to disguise the ugliness of its policy; reading further brings you to this part I dont care for:
NHRA’s definition of testing includes, but is not limited to, any run or attempted run conducted at any track whatsoever, whether or not it is an NHRA track or NHRA-sanctioned track. Exhibitions, match racing, licensing attempts, and the like, are considered testing and will be subject to this testing policy.
although it wont affect me, I certainly dont like any organization telling people what to do on their own time. Thats a dictatorship and its a dictatorship thats slowly enslaving those that want to drag race.
that was my point about the tires. pretty soon they will have spec cars like nascar. oops they already do. it's just a show now.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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Its very simple, Goodyear use our tires or else, And the big wigs of NHRA go along with it, Kind of like the kid in the playground who takes his ball home when he can`t play. What kind of decisions do you expect from the head of an association making over $700gs a year? Its all about the $$$ for him and his cronies.
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Re: Anyone else following the NHRA / M/T debacle?
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Paramedics know how to save lives but probably don't know much about extracting injured drivers out of race cars
paramedics are trained on how to extract injured people from wrecked vehicles, (so are basic responders and EMT's). each incident that a paramedic comes to, either on the street or at a track, the basics of taking someone out of that vehicle are the same. you think because lets say a dragster wrecks they wouldnt know? you call for the equipment it shows, you cut bars and they come out the same as if it was a passenger sedan on main st.
Probably don't have the same equipment as the Safety Safari has right on hand. I would rather crash at an NHRA race than anywhere else.
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