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Aluminum Water Pump #1992511
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I just got my new alum water pump from eBay for my 383 for my '69 Super Bee. Here's the issue that I didn't take into consideration before buying/receiving pump. There's no provision for the temp sending unit. I assume this is because most are for racing applications??? Mine is a street car w/very rare strip use.

Is there a way to set up temp unit? Or do I have to use my cast iron housing and use the alum pump? I really wanted the more efficient(according to advertisement) alum set up since I live in East TX where the summers are HOT.


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Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: Texas383] #1992553
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I'd think for strip use you'd still want one. Not sure why yours dont have it but most everything comes down to profit. Eyeball yours & see if there is a suitable boss that can be drilled/tapped for it. Only caveat is you want the temp sender probe immersed in the coolant but not so far in that it obstructs flow which might happen in a narrow passage, just something to keep in mind but adding it should be easy peasy. I have a 'source blem alum pump that is obstructed & I'll just grind out that (obstructed) passage when the time comes. Never thought if it is missing the boss for the sender, I'll have to check that out


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Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: Texas383] #1992575
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Did you get a pump or a housing, or both?

Cause you say pump, but the sending unit is in the housing and you imply you got the housing?

I seriously doubt the ebay aluminum HOUSING will be more efficient than the stock cast iron at cooling, in fact there was a batch of AL ones made a few years back with undersized passageways that caused some issues.

Just inspect the sender location on the stock setup and see if you can drill/tap/install a sender in the AL one.


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Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: Texas383] #1992583
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Robert - i was curious myself as i'm close to pulling the trigger on this

http://store.440source.com/Water-Pump-Housing-Pipe-Plug-Kit/productinfo/101-1077/

can't vouch for the 'old' style but i would think its there

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Mike I just checked & I see (3) NPT drilled/tapped bosses ready to go & priorly I stuck my finder up there & I will be able to get to the narrowing that needs to be dealt with. What Supercuda said, the only bennie would be the weight loss AFAIK. I cant see the passages being way bigger & even if they were, the 1&1/8 block inlet holes might actually be the deciding factor on flow and the heat radiating diff between iron and alum I dont think even comes into this. for a bucks up weight conscious dragger it'd be worth it. I took up jogging (gradually) and ~80% vegetarian (gradually) & lost more weight than I did from adding the alum pump alum intake alum radiator iron manis to headers & even the "source super stealth alum heads ALL combined! the car was faster and handled better and I felt better! GRADUALLY is the key. On the pump I would add the anticav plate and on the other side of the vanes get the vane to housing clearance close (~.040" or so)


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Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: Texas383] #1992633
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Sorry... i got housing and pump. No provision in housing for sending unit.


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Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: RapidRobert] #1993211
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RR, could you provide a pic of the restricted area in the housing that needs cleaned up ? i have seen this before, i think, but didn't save it, so now i'm at a loss [of memory that is]. TIA.
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Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: moparx] #1993326
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I would but I am having camera issues. from the backside its the 2 lower (inlet) holes, the passage(s) go in a bit then make a right angle 90 deg turn inward. I'm gonna have to (from the additl examining I did just now) drill an opening in each (out)side & go in with a burr & hog em out then cap the opening with an NPT plug. pretty much just labor unless there is a restriction farther in that I cannot see right now as I ain't put much time into examining it but they are simple passages so I ain't expecting anything untoward on this. EDIT I just had a flash & went & looked in the front side (where the pump mounts) & you can easily go to the restricted area to open it up. I ain't mocked it up yet to check for fitment on the bolt holes etc but if the price is right and there's the need to save some lbs its OK & the alum has a good finish on it, definitely diff than the cast pump

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Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: RapidRobert] #1993985
01/19/16 12:09 PM
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reason i asked, i have a 68 dated aluminum pump housing, but it is bolted to the block i am using for mock up. i got a new housing at carlisle a couple of years ago for $30. i figured it probably was one of the restricted castings, but for the money, i could open it up easy enough. i'm just too lazy to remove the 68 casting to compare.
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Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: Texas383] #1994048
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I'm sorry to hear about your dilemma, but I bought a big block aluminum water pump housing from 440 Source about 7-8 years ago, and it was still sitting on my shelf for 4 years later. One day on Moparts I read a post about undersized passageways (as Supercuda said) in those housings that caused engine over-heating. Even though 4 years had passed, Brandon replaced mine with a new one that had since been redesigned. Now this new one is sitting on my shelf, but the passages are a lot larger. Mine has the lower radiator hose nipple on the passenger side, and it does have the threaded hole for the temp sending unit. I see no reason why you couldn't drill and tap a hole (as Rapid Robert said) in your housing. The wall thickness in the proper place on the driver side should be about 1/2''.

Now I have to quickly return this housing to the dusty space on the shelf before that spot fills in with other patiently waiting parts! (sigh)

Re: Aluminum Water Pump [Re: Texas383] #1994138
01/19/16 03:51 PM
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Its not hard to drill and tap.I did the old MP piece for my 440.I installed the oe sender thats small and then drilled and tapped the hole for a mechanical gauge.Been on since the 90s and no problems.Rocky


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