Thank you.
By the way, your Rampage is a beautiful set up.

Yes, you are right, start with a light car for a race car. That in itself would rule this thread out completely.
The beauty of it all at the end of the day is that some people do not have that luxury to just go out and get another car that is already light either because of space, money or just plain admiration for what they already have.

Divorce is simply not in the cards LOL.

I would safely think that Hot Rodding is not a logical sport, so people including yours unruly here, will work with the STREET CARS they have simply because of the love for the body style and or the class of racing.
As for my weight, I'm 175 wet. LOL
As for my car, I promise you all that when I get the green light for reasons that I can not explain here at this time, I will reveal the fruits of my labor. It is a real world full bloom. I/we look forward to many other new ideas.

If everyone followed the same recipe for building small light race cars, we'd all be driving gutted Fox body notchbacks...

There are plenty of guys going fast with less than optimal combos, but that ingenuity is what keeps the sport interesting

Amen.

Not sure why the sudden negative waves... Whether it's been said out loud or not, the main idea of this thread is about street/strip cars, not dedicated race cars. Sure, the race-only crowd might benefit from some of the ideas here but there is generally less room for interpretation in that instance; you basically do what you have to do to make the car do what you want, case closed. Pure function without regard to form/style or stealth.

If you have a dedicated race car then obviously you start with the best platform for whatever category you are competing in. If you look at it from that perspective, then it's an all-business approach, no need to get 'creative' or make things look a certain way - start with the lightest body you can, gut it, put some go fast stuff in it and run a number.

The one class I can think of where guys might benefit from these ideas is Stock Eliminator. If you can make stuff look like factory but have it be half the weight and go undetected by race officials, then you done good.

I got an A body but I still look for ways to make it light. All steel, full interior, weighed 3,060 with a full tank and no 190 lb driver. It could be lighter for sure - 'glass hood, fenders, bumpers, gut the interior, doors, etc. But then I lose the street car vibe. I like that world. Is it a compromise? Maybe but I'm not in a position to be a full-time racer so I enjoy my car on the street.

It's just a way of thinking here, regardless of what the dollar amount spent/pound actually is. maybe at first Thumper was trying to justify the cost of lighter parts but it's become more than buying things from Jegs, it's about critical thinking and ingenuity.

Sorry, just thought that needed to be said.

I did not have negative waves... I asked about the
dollar per pound thing.. got no answer.. will I spend
$4 per pound to dump some weight... no... my Rampage
is a street car.. I built it to drive on the streets
and I have full interior with heat and all.. it has
everything that a street car needs or has to have..
but it weighs 2920 with me in it and 18 gals of fuel...
I wont bother posting on this again... seem plenty of
the guys feel I should just shut up... no problem

P body, no reason to vacate. I value your wisdom the same and I also have read some of your evaluations on wind/scoop and (tranny tests) IIRC.
I think we're all in this for slightly different reasons and or circumstances.
I totally understand Rmchrgr's or any others response because of their circumstances and or likes, but also why you have chosen to go small and light from the get-go. We're all just an alphabet soup here (A B C E F J K M's)and some may need help floating to the top of the bowl.
In all honesty, I'm totally helpless myself. LOL. I've really never taken into account what I've spent per dollar, but I can safely say I did not spend my bottom rent dollar to do so, but have had a lot of fun and dialogue.
Only when time and funds allow do I dive into the dark art of weightlessness. It's art to me because I'm an artist first, and art should be experienced by all even if its against the grain of different brains.

I agree that you DID get negative spewing something about "health" and didn`t see it in what fmj posted but whatever. And yes I did say weight reduction vs cost but either way, we each have our own desires w/these car things and there is no right or wrong in ANY post imo. My Dart is right at 3000 lbs. now w/me and is still a hand full on the street testing at 130+ mph to get my wfo perfect and is faster than ever because of posts like this and my desire to perfect carb tuning. AND if you didn`t notice it`s approaching 300,000 hits and not by accident................

I think it was a simple misunderstanding. I have read hundreds of posts by both FMJ and Mr. P and never have seen either member out of line in the way that was perceived here.
On the money issue. We could all probably spend our money wiser than on old cars but I prefer it to golf coarses and beer joints.

My apologies for ruffling some feathers, no disrespect was meant, just felt like there was some disdain (implied or not) for the methodology here which I felt was unwarranted. I think the heart surgery comment may have set Mr. P off but it was in reference to a high maintenance combo that requires a lot of attention. Nobody would ever diminish real health issues, we all have our priorities straight here.

It is true there may very well be a point of diminishing returns with removing weight when you get to a certain level of performance and maybe your money is in fact better spent elsewhere. I don't think anyone fails to understand that. I'm guessing that most of us here don't have enough cheddar to prove the laws of physics wrong though so the weight thing is a valid and fun way to better performance.

Plus you get to come on here and show off your tricks.

After re-reading the post I did read it wrong.. I
apologize for that.. I took it as a dig on my health
issue of just having by pass surgery

Gee,this was all misread/informed or misunderstood. At first I was perplexed because it sounded as very personal and off topic. I now realize my bad choice of words in general, so with that I truly apologize to you P-body and anyone that has gone through any such procedure. I sometimes creatively choose sarcasm as a driving force.
I would never snap on anyone's struggles with illness or injury and how could I know what anyone of us has gone through and then mock them for it, not my style or humane. Apologies.

as one who has severe health issues, i must, by choice, get the absolute best bang for the "buck" spent because health issues, even minor ones, are expensive these days. some here know of my project, and know i have been on it for many, many years, with more years ahead before it moves under it's own power. i can see how mr. p may have misunderstood some statements. my sense of humor can sometimes be misinterpreted, so i can also see the other side of the coin. i have learned a substantial amount of information over my years here, and i would hate to see anyone leave. this thread has helped me make some tough decisions about weight that i have had to compromise based on my own "price per pound" that i could afford, so my build will be heavier[therefore slower] than it should or could be, but i will build it as light as i can afford to do based on the many, many tricks and tips contained in this thread. we are blessed this thread is continuing as it should !

MoparX
Wishing you the best results in getting back to good health. It's true that nothing is worth more than good health to be able to enjoy the fruits of life.
As for your project which in turn may bring some kind of recovery through its enjoyment, take the moments presented within reason and do it at its pace.
I've got a saying: "No hurries for just flurries".
I've reached into my pockets to purchase one of four Ti K-member bolts so that I could at least feel that I was moving forward incrementally a little at a time. Eventually, it all started coming together.
Look forward to what this forum and others will spawn.

The upper right, second from the top button on everyone's key pad that represents the rule of law here. LOL.

As light is might,,,,torque moves weight,,,,

and weight contributes to breaks.

Me thinks I'm over that

Those four pulleys are contributing to a nose heavy stance man.
Get'em off of there.
Wait a minute! is that a anchor master cylinder I spy in the background?
Hemi-itis, you've been a naughty boy.

I'm re-doing the front end right now. I see all these 3/4 to an inch flanges all over the frame rails. They might help a tad structually. The only practical purpose I see is to have made it much easier for the factory to weld. I''m thinking they all need to fall to the blade of my cut off wheel and be replaced with a nice bead. I will weigh them afterwards

Iron master cylinder, heavy OE type radiator behind the rolls of toilet paper on the grille...