Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/15/15 06:44 PM
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I would put a manual valvebody in it and never look back.
Clicking gears is no bother on the street and gives me something to do when driving around.
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/15/15 06:57 PM
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I would put a manual valvebody in it and never look back.
Clicking gears is no bother on the street and gives me something to do when driving around. I have a stock VB that I'm gonna put in it.. but I want to know whats going on with the governor pressure first... the VB in it now has a Transgo shift improver kit .. other than that its stock
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/15/15 07:21 PM
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Line pressure test port is the plug in the middle "hump" on the passenger side.
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/15/15 07:32 PM
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Thanks John... what kind of pressure should I see.. and I assume that is the regulator pressure... in my book it doesnt show a pressure for the front servo port also.. any idea why my test didnt repeat itself.. just came up with zero pressure
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/15/15 07:44 PM
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Dang that sux, I hope you get a handle on it. So do I.. or I'll burn this thing to the ground... John stated that it should be zero pressure with zero speed.. it is but the pressure didnt climb the second and third times I tried.. I dont understand that it doesnt repeat
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/15/15 07:47 PM
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Mike can you get the trans tailshaft extention housing off while in the car? if you can then take it off and disassemble the govenor and clean it, sounds like it's sticking or it's got a piece of trash in it, and you don't want to hear what a trans shop told me how to fix it with out taking it apart,,,it worked but not reccomended. LOL
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/15/15 07:56 PM
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Mike can you get the trans tailshaft extention housing off while in the car? if you can then take it off and disassemble the govenor and clean it, sounds like it's sticking or it's got a piece of trash in it, and you don't want to hear what a trans shop told me how to fix it with out taking it apart,,,it worked but not reccomended. LOL No way in hell to get it off... I spent a hour trying to get a fitting into the governor port today and found it couldnt be done.. I ended up pulling the carpet and drilled a 1" hole in the tunnel so I could get my readings.. I did do the drive to park and drive to reverse thing... nothing changed(I assume that is what you were gonna say about the fix)
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/15/15 08:04 PM
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Mike can you get the trans tailshaft extention housing off while in the car? if you can then take it off and disassemble the govenor and clean it, sounds like it's sticking or it's got a piece of trash in it, and you don't want to hear what a trans shop told me how to fix it with out taking it apart,,,it worked but not reccomended. LOL No way in hell to get it off... I spent a hour trying to get a fitting into the governor port today and found it couldnt be done.. I ended up pulling the carpet and drilled a 1" hole in the tunnel so I could get my readings.. I did do the drive to park and drive to reverse thing... nothing changed(I assume that is what you were gonna say about the fix) LOL yep, scared the bejeezus out of me, the only other thing I could suggest is dump a can of Sea Foam trans cleaner in it and drive it, that stuff will help clean them up and take any varnish and gunk out of them, had a Aries wagon once with the 2.2 auto in it and had some issues with it shifting and not shifting into 1st at a traffic light,put that stuff in and drove it for about 250-300 miles and never looked back, still worked good when I sold it 2 years later.
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Re: Trans Question... HELP PLEASE
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12/15/15 08:13 PM
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Sent a pm. Gov pressure port for 518 is high/back
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/16/15 12:45 PM
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Any other suggestions to what might be wrong with this thing.. I'm gonna change the VB today with the stock one I have EDIT Whats the correct procedure to adjust the TP cable just so I know
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/16/15 02:34 PM
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I just got off the phone with John Cope.. glad I talked with him... I was gonna put this other VB on which is a non lock up trans.. the one in the car is a lock up style that I changed out the pump and input shaft on.. well the non lock up VB wont work on a lock up case... so that takes care of me changing the VB.. he suggested a trick on freeing the governor which I will try today.. its blowing air into the governor test port while the engine is running.. it works sometimes if its just small trash... but as he also said.. if its eating itself up and putting trash in there it will just happen again(which I knew).. so for today I'll put the gauge on the accumulator port and get some readings and try the air pressure on the governor port.. I think I will drop the pan to check for trash.. I have a drain plug but I want to see whats on the magnet... he also said that A&A makes a manual shift VB for these.. so if it doesnt have trash in it and the VB just doesnt want to work right I will order the manual shift VB so it eliminates the need for the governor EDIT Thanks John for the info
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/16/15 02:35 PM
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Mike, If there is no pressure coming out of the governor at speed, it's because the governor weights are stuck blocking the flow completely.
From looking at the flow diagrams, the rear clutch feed in the case is the same circuit as the governor feed. Meaning if the governor didn't have any flow going to it, the rear clutch wouldn't apply either.
The problem does not appear to be in the valve body.
Didn't this thing have a stuck/burred governor weight in it the last time we took it apart? I remember you taking it home to fix before we put it back together. Is this the same trans, or the junk yard trans now in the car? (Easy way to tell... is it painted black? Or did you paint the junk yard trans black?)
If the governor pressure doesn't rise with speed, it won't make the automatic 1/2 shift like it should.
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/16/15 02:42 PM
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Mike, If there is no pressure coming out of the governor at speed, it's because the governor weights are stuck blocking the flow completely.
From looking at the flow diagrams, the rear clutch feed in the case is the same circuit as the governor feed. Meaning if the governor didn't have any flow going to it, the rear clutch wouldn't apply either.
The problem does not appear to be in the valve body.
Didn't this thing have a stuck/burred governor weight in it the last time we took it apart? I remember you taking it home to fix before we put it back together. Is this the same trans, or the junk yard trans now in the car? (Easy way to tell... is it painted black? Or did you paint the junk yard trans black?)
If the governor pressure doesn't rise with speed, it won't make the automatic 1/2 shift like it should.
This is the one you did originally.. yes it had a stuck/burred governor which I did fix.. I know it moved freely.. I made damn sure of it...both trans are black.. I painted the JY one also after I cleaned it up
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/16/15 05:50 PM
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The "no repeat" on the governor pressure test is baffling, don't have a clue to a cause.
The front servo test port will only show pressure when the trans is in 3rd gear and should be the same as line pressure or a little lower. Line pressure will vary with the throttle, 50-100 psi....you can disconnect the linkage and operate the TP lever by hand to raise/lower the line pressure at idle.
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/16/15 06:20 PM
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Right now I've spent a hour and a half trying to get a fitting into the accumulator port to get a reading on the line pressure.. so far I havent got the fitting in.. I had to take a break before I burn that thing.. my hand and my foot have cramped up... a word to people... DONT BUILD LITTLE CARS.. Im getting ready to pull the pass header just to help getting to the port
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Re: Trans Question... Still
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12/16/15 07:55 PM
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It dont F-ing matter.. it has to come out..I pulled the pan.. its got a pile of crap in it.. 4 miles on it...........its getting torched
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