Re: 727 or 904?
[Re: dvw]
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11/28/15 02:34 PM
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For what its worth my aluminum drum has been zero maintenance. I went from a billet steel drum to a lightened sun shell and aluminum drum and saw a solid .10@1 mph in the 1/8. This was with a relatively high torque engine to boot, 14.8-1 572. 904 wouldn't scare me either except for the converter hub. I would use the flat pump drive to prevent cracking. The input shaft is pretty small diameter. Maybe a good upgrade as well depending on power level. Doug We were losing a crisp 2nd gear apply due to the band polishing the drum. We are trying bands with different friction materials. Also we were seeing uneven wear on the wide bands, due to the apply lugs not being centered on the band. So at this time we are trying the narrow band, different friction material, and a higher ratio arm to see if it helps maintain a crisp 2nd gear longer.
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Re: 727 or 904?
[Re: humpty]
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11/28/15 03:36 PM
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Yeah - raising the stall is part of the plan. Who do you recommend for modifying the converter? Transmission Specialities switched my last two rebuilds over to spragless in my powerglide combos. My last two 727 converters were bought from a Moparts member who was switching over to a nitrous converter. Matt broke his 904 converter (5600 stall) so we put my 727 in his car to make some points races. The car slowed from 10.60's to 11.10 with my 727 and a 4500 stall converter behind his 360 engine. We pulled the 727 and installed a 5600 converter I had sitting here and it soon ran a new best 10.50's. He sat out this year till the Halloween Classic and we installed my 408 in his Duster and he ran 6.40 with the 727 trans and 5600 stall converter footbraking. That should be a very low 10 second pass in the 1/4 mile. I just looked back at my old email from these converters and one was freshed by PTC and one by TCI.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Re: 727 or 904?
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/28/15 04:06 PM
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Lenny at Ultimate, he has redone both my T/A 8 inch 904 convertors and the lockup for the 518 in my 92 D150.
68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV
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Re: 727 or 904?
[Re: humpty]
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11/28/15 04:20 PM
11/28/15 04:20 PM
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John_Kunkel
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Guys - I'm looking to pick up some ET with a tranny upgrade. Have you compared the cost of the trans "upgrades" to the cost of other mods that would yield the same ET gain?
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Re: 727 or 904?
[Re: 11secdart]
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11/28/15 04:21 PM
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I'm sorry I messed up on that. PTC redid the TCI and the other one that's in his car is a Turbo Action.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: 727 or 904?
[Re: Evil Spirit]
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11/28/15 04:55 PM
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dvw
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For what its worth my aluminum drum has been zero maintenance. I went from a billet steel drum to a lightened sun shell and aluminum drum and saw a solid .10@1 mph in the 1/8. This was with a relatively high torque engine to boot, 14.8-1 572. 904 wouldn't scare me either except for the converter hub. I would use the flat pump drive to prevent cracking. The input shaft is pretty small diameter. Maybe a good upgrade as well depending on power level. Doug We were losing a crisp 2nd gear apply due to the band polishing the drum. We are trying bands with different friction materials. Also we were seeing uneven wear on the wide bands, due to the apply lugs not being centered on the band. So at this time we are trying the narrow band, different friction material, and a higher ratio arm to see if it helps maintain a crisp 2nd gear longer. I'm using the red material on a hard band with a 4.2 lever. Never checked the line PSI but it's a old Turbo-Action valve body so I'd guess 100-125 psi. Both the band and drum looked like new when I had it apart after aprox 150 passes. No engine flare on the tach replay either. I even reused the 50 run Wall Mart Dexron, lol. Doug
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Re: 727 or 904?
[Re: humpty]
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11/28/15 09:18 PM
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80arrow
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Thanks for the replies everyone! Looks like I'm making the swap to a 904. Any good shops in the Midwest you guys trust? Lofgren Auto Specialties does awesome trans work. They are in the Twin cities, his specialty is Mopars. And Lenny at Ultimate is great with converters
Last edited by 80arrow; 11/28/15 09:19 PM.
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Re: 727 or 904?
[Re: ro23car]
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11/29/15 02:25 PM
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J_BODY
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pro trans if you have the cash. Dave and Darren are awesome people.... he's gotten me out a torqueflight bind a couple of times over the years. I recently had him "fix" the trans that was in the car when my dad was still racing it. Takes 200 rpm to make the shifts now.... Works great and I'm glad I'm only a 4hr drive from them. We actually discussed some 904 options when I was over there. Maybe someday, got quite a bit into the 727 so we'll just beat on what we have for awhile.
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