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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: Cab_Burge] #1957554
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
Why would you take the time to reserach this like you did and spend the money needed to build a cheap cast piston short block when you know that it could fail at speed and end up hurting you or the car or both work I wouldn't do that tsk Build a decent short block and use it to get educated on this technology and proceed on up


The short block is a low-mileage (35k) from a 74 New Yorker that I did yard work in trade for the motor and transmission years ago. There was no "building" done so to speak, just a cam and deep oil pan from when I was going to go a different direction with the motor. If it blows up, it blows up(got another motor on stand by anyways). Im not trying to make 1000+hp to the ground, just something fun on a soft tune up that is different from 90% of the mopars you see and can still make my 30mile commute to work and live on the fantastic 91pump out here.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: jyrki] #1957555
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Originally Posted By jyrki
Have run one for 10 years now, the current version is still untested. Have built another one too, and a third, budget build with stock 383 base engine with a single turbo is on its way.



That actually looks pretty wild. I dig it.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957559
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I don't know who told you the stock manifold won't work, but for a mild build they most definitely can.

As mentioned mine makes around 800-825hp on stock 1 7/8" outlet manifolds. For a mild build and low RPM they are a perfect fit for the job.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957657
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When it comes to the exhaust, it seems to me that exhaust manifold volume is more important than having tuned headers as the tuning effect is diminished due to the high pressure built up on the hot side, does that sound right? Seems having the proper volume (not to big or small) is the thing to shoot for

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: moparpollack] #1957729
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The mighty 318 was installed in a 81 1/2 4x4,Dodge. It would would win most uglytruck contests. I got the truck for free, the 318 brand new Napa rebuild cost me $150. The GT-45 turo was $249 delivered to my door. Well under $1000 in everything so the whole thing was EXPENDABLE if something went BOOM.
The motor made 160hp cheated up on my dyno with the stock, manifolds,exhaust pipe, and factory 2bbl. With a 800 thermoquad and 24 lbs of boost it made 536hp&586ftlbs@4800. The hp&torque were still climbing at 4800. I did O-ring the block and install copper headgaskets. Dave

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: dizuster] #1957778
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Originally Posted By dizuster
I don't know who told you the stock manifold won't work, but for a mild build they most definitely can.

As mentioned mine makes around 800-825hp on stock 1 7/8" outlet manifolds. For a mild build and low RPM they are a perfect fit for the job.


I was told they wouldnt work due to blocking spark plugs and clearing the steering box. But im really happy you posted on this, my brother is impatiently waiting to see your turbo kits come together. (I think it was you doing them at least. Always told him "theres an ugly B body that runs like a damn Animal with boost through a 360" now after watching what videos he could find he wants to go the boosted route also lol. Killer car man. What size piping would you reccomend for the hotside? I was think 2.5" but not too sure.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: quickd100] #1957782
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Originally Posted By quickd100
The mighty 318 was installed in a 81 1/2 4x4,Dodge. It would would win most uglytruck contests. I got the truck for free, the 318 brand new Napa rebuild cost me $150. The GT-45 turo was $249 delivered to my door. Well under $1000 in everything so the whole thing was EXPENDABLE if something went BOOM.
The motor made 160hp cheated up on my dyno with the stock, manifolds,exhaust pipe, and factory 2bbl. With a 800 thermoquad and 24 lbs of boost it made 536hp&586ftlbs@4800. The hp&torque were still climbing at 4800. I did O-ring the block and install copper headgaskets. Dave


Thats some huge numbers out of a 318. Might convince my friend to keep his in favor of a bigblock now. Gonna try and get every mopar a turbo now.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957796
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During a road test the exhaust pipe came off at WOT at about 65mph in 4th gear. I had set the boost down to 12lbs to run on 87 octane. Without the restrictive exhaust it instantly hit 24lbs. It slammed me back in the seat and a second later the engine revved way up, I thought it had smoked the tires. Then I smelled the clutch, it ran though the clutch at 70+mph. The result of the overboost and detonation was 3 cracked pistons. $149 to my door for a full set of pistons, pins, and rings and it was running again. Hey, I got 5 spare pistons to play with now. Dave

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957805
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That's kind of how I looked at that old 383,expendable.That's the best kind to learn on.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957828
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while that manifold might fit in there, are you factoring the 3-4" of space you need to get a u bend in there to get to free space to route over to the turbo? I had no such room in my Fury when I looked at that and I tried logs, HP's, 62-64 logs, and even 1958 logs.
I used the RV manifolds upside down

https://picasaweb.google.com/117601696089323739884/TurboFury?authuser=0&feat=directlink


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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: furious70] #1957839
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Originally Posted By furious70
while that manifold might fit in there, are you factoring the 3-4" of space you need to get a u bend in there to get to free space to route over to the turbo? I had no such room in my Fury when I looked at that and I tried logs, HP's, 62-64 logs, and even 1958 logs.
I used the RV manifolds upside down

https://picasaweb.google.com/117601696089323739884/TurboFury?authuser=0&feat=directlink



Its gonna sweep down and go to the passenger side. Running a single. Ill make something work. I got a few good fabricators and some crazy ones willing to help

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1958017
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I'm going to offer some advise about part selections on motor that will be driven hard at WOT at speeds in excess of the posted local speed limit, DON"T CUT CORNERS, EVER tsk twocents I've been very lucky in my racing career when it comes to breaking parts at WOT, I haven't bent any sheet metal, yet shock I've been sideways at or above 85 MPH in 3rd gear in someone elses gear grease from a broken stick shift tranny in front of me, I've broken rods and lock the motor up at 115 MPH and had the car start to go sideways and got lucky by getting it into nuetral before it flipped on its lid work I've also seen freinds hurt and destroy there race cars because of broken parts, if you race long enough you will break parts, the cheaper ones break easier work shruggy It's your choice shruggy


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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: Cab_Burge] #1958047
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I know this is way on the other end of the spectrum, but here are a couple pics of my buddies build from 5-6 years ago. He has since stepped up to a twin turbo Hemi. This particular wedge combo hit the 7's in a street-legal '69 Charger.

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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 67_Satellite] #1958136
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Originally Posted By 67_Satellite
Had mine version 2.0 http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r461/FriedDonuts/CAM00911_zpsm4keefia.jpg Yes, I hooked up the hose to the driver side air filter eventually.



Oh, man!! I want too go for a ride! You need a you-tube vid.... Post some pic's of the rest of the car.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1958199
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I fully intend to do a turbo 440 on the cheap but haven't finished with some other projects yet. The dyno is the perfect tool for the R&D required to get things close.Here's the 318, still running the factory air too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/q...p;1448541133111

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: Jamie McGrath] #1958250
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On8-AHZw3-Q
Here's the first one from way back.10 lbs. front two barrells only.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVlmtgYb72U
Another from the 15 lb. days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8wb7JAM5wc
Here's the whole bucket of bolts. Requirements were flat hood and keep the factory A/C.

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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1958696
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The sales man assured that ET Streets would be a great fix for no traction. Sure, right.
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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 67_Satellite] #1960258
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Originally Posted By 67_Satellite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On8-AHZw3-Q
Here's the first one from way back.10 lbs. front two barrells only.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVlmtgYb72U
Another from the 15 lb. days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8wb7JAM5wc
Here's the whole bucket of bolts. Requirements were flat hood and keep the factory A/C.


Very clean, keep us in the loop when the 470 gets slid in. And your self described love or hate green paint really gives the car a sleepy look that I like. The rake is also killer don't change it. If I were too change anything? I think I would add the GTX flip open gas cap and on a set of Crager S/S mags too complete the retro day two look.

Very cool car! But you next vid should be a side shot so we can see some of those rubber molecule's wafting out of the wheel wells into the breeze..

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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