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Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/22/15 02:14 PM
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1967dartgt
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Does anyone have drawing of the system they used in the door windows? I know they used seat belts, but was trying to find how it's done.
Anyone reproduce kits? Thinking of doing it to loose weight on my car.
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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11/22/15 02:59 PM
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Did it on a Duster I had in another life. Seat belt strap bolted to the track mechanism attached to the bottom of the glass. Fold the outer end over and sew. Install a heavy duty snap and install the male half of the snap in the metal below the door panel. The door still had the OE arm rest. I ran it just behind that. Pretty simple. I wasn't trying to make it a perfect copy of the '68 cars.
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/22/15 04:25 PM
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DAMN nice work there sir and are those formed lexan or?
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/22/15 04:51 PM
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Think someone just had a video on Facebook . I saw that yesterday, I'll try to find it.
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/22/15 08:30 PM
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DAMN nice work there sir and are those formed lexan or? No, Lexan was cut from 4'x8'sheet. The bottom has .060" aluminum angle bolted on to stiffen it up (1/8"). The door release is mounted on aluminum channel as well with a piece of 3/8" steel fuel line welded from the door release to the vent frame to keep the handle from flexing. A Home Depot closet door roller is modified to ride on the front of the vent channel to keep the window from tilting. Vent is Lexan also (1/4"). All cheap stuff. My 63 Dodge H/T was done the same way. Doug
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/22/15 09:16 PM
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DAMN nice work there sir and are those formed lexan or? No, Lexan was cut from 4'x8'sheet. The bottom has .060" aluminum angle bolted on to stiffen it up (1/8"). The door release is mounted on aluminum channel as well with a piece of 3/8" steel fuel line welded from the door release to the vent frame to keep the handle from flexing. A Home Depot closet door roller is modified to ride on the front of the vent channel to keep the window from tilting. Vent is Lexan also (1/4"). All cheap stuff. My 63 Dodge H/T was done the same way. Doug If you don't mind me asking how much does the car weight?
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/23/15 12:49 AM
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Doug, you just run it up through the felt and window?
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/23/15 12:26 PM
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If you are going to actually drive the car much, it is difficult to get the strap just right so that the window is up tight and you can still snap it. Also, even the tough seat belts can stretch just a bit over time allowing the window to drop a little bit.
I dealt with this by using clean used seat belts from the junk yard and attaching the window end of the belt to a loop of stiff elastic band. That way I had some give on the strap so that I could snap it easier when the window was up, and the window was always pulled up tight to the weatherstrip.
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/23/15 02:56 PM
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If you are going to actually drive the car much, it is difficult to get the strap just right so that the window is up tight and you can still snap it. Also, even the tough seat belts can stretch just a bit over time allowing the window to drop a little bit.
I dealt with this by using clean used seat belts from the junk yard and attaching the window end of the belt to a loop of stiff elastic band. That way I had some give on the strap so that I could snap it easier when the window was up, and the window was always pulled up tight to the weatherstrip.
That's the reason they used the lap buckle part, click it then pull up to tighten the belt
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/23/15 04:26 PM
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DAMN nice work there sir and are those formed lexan or? X2, Beautiful work! Question, what holds the window up?
Jim
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/23/15 11:42 PM
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While I am no expert, I don't believe that the original 68 SS cars had buckles on the window lift belts. Here is a link to Mancini's old car that is at Mecum now. There are a couple of pics of the interior there. No buckles on the window lift belts on that Dart.
Besides, I tried the buckle. First, it really doesn't do a good job of pulling the window up after the belt goes around all those corners. Second, it is hard on the paint where the belt rubs. And lastly,that buckle flopping around the top of the door when the window is down, isn't cool.
The elastic and a snap is just a better way to go, in my opinion.
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Re: Hemi super stock dart Windows
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11/24/15 12:04 AM
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While I am no expert, I don't believe that the original 68 SS cars had buckles on the window lift belts. Here is a link to Mancini's old car that is at Mecum now. There are a couple of pics of the interior there. No buckles on the window lift belts on that Dart.
Besides, I tried the buckle. First, it really doesn't do a good job of pulling the window up after the belt goes around all those corners. Second, it is hard on the paint where the belt rubs. And lastly,that buckle flopping around the top of the door when the window is down, isn't cool.
The elastic and a snap is just a better way to go, in my opinion. Race cars didn't run with the window down. I think 1970, West Virginia Hemi, the first time I noticed what held the window up. Of course he could have done that himself. Saw plenty of the Darts and Cudas in 68-69 but to busy looking at the engine LOL and wishing I had one of them. Still can't afford one!
Last edited by cudaman1969; 11/24/15 12:05 AM.
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