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How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? #1946709
11/07/15 12:50 AM
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A pal of mine wants to weld in frame connectors in his 71 Road Runner. I don't know if he want to do it because it is the "trendy" thing to do, but I wonder if it is worth the effort.
I added them to my 70 Charger but I see this as an apples to oranges comparison. I have bigger torsion bars and sway bars, stiffer springs and better shocks. I run a much wider tire front and rear. He has essentially a stock suspension, 15x7 wheels and 235-60-15 tires. He rarely drives this car since he bought a 2013 Challenger R/T.
The car has the stock 383 with a mild cam upgrade, 727 and a 3.23 diff.
Opinions, please?

Oh yeah... I am asking because he wants to do this at my place on my car lift!

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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1946718
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My '70 in original configuration, 318 auto, felt and drove better with the frame connectors... it was running 225/75/14 rubber at the time.

Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1946720
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I think it will make a difference very noticeable. Are you talking the kind that bolt or weld just at the ends or the continuous weld to the floor contour? It was a huge difference on my Dart. I don't know what to say about the GTX because I never drove it enough to remember how it felt before I tore into it. I know it handles extremely well now and I have to assume part of that is due to the frame connectors.


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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1946749
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It should be fine IMO. If it ran anything like my Dart did before I started tearing it down, you could probably feel the twist in the corners. If he does the subframe connectors with a nice pair of Bilsteins, he should have a very nice cruiser at the end of it.

Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1946775
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These cars weren't the best when they were new and time hasn't done them any good. Even on skinny modern radials, I can't imagine them not being a noticeable improvement.


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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1946777
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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1947833
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Nope. They make a significant difference on any type of car. From a simple NVH persepctive, they eliminate rattles, pops, squeaks, poor door and window sealing ( wind whislting). Perfomancve wise, yeah, we've all read that.

Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1948219
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Yep, I'm going to add them to every older car I buy from now on after adding the Hotchkis ones to my 69 Satellite wagon.

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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Sneke_Eyez] #1948436
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I went ahead and did it.
The 71 B body floor pan and frame rails (At least the rears) are different than my 1970 Charger. My rear rails hang down below the pan further, I did not have to cut as much out of the 3x3 steel that I used on mine.

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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1948444
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I did get a few pix:

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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1948535
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This car is owned by a guy that ordered it in the fall of 1970. It still has the original 383 in it!

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The owner didn't want to cut into the floor to keep the connectors full depth. Because of this, I had to cut the connectors to the contour of the floorpan. I did re-box the areas that were cut down. I'm unsure of how effective they will be since they had to be cut down to almost 7/8" to remain flush to the Bottom of the frame rails front and rear. They are welded at three sides on each end.

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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Kern Dog] #1948780
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Re: How effective are Frame connectors with skinny tires? [Re: Brian] #1948837
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How about the twin-tubular Magnum Force SFCs? They appear to be slightly bent to stay close to the floor, very good ground clearance for low-cars, have an extra point of attachment near the middle. Anyone use these with satisfaction?

Also, I believe Magnum Force is introducing another similar tubular design (larger single tube) that wraps around the front crossmember and straddles the rear fram rail with a crossover attachment to the leaf spring bolts (syuch as where the Hotchkis units attach). MF offers this new design for A-bodies now,,, others to follow. Any comments about the MF units/design... vs the typical rectangular/box design (excluding the contoured floor weld-in types)?


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