Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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10/06/15 11:26 AM
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I have numbers from my bench and your stage 6's, so it will be interesting to see how they compare side by side. IMO, what those 6's really had going for them was decent flow from pretty small port volume, which I feel is a good combo for moderate cube pump gas motors running in heavy-ish cars with closed exhaust systems. Yeah, I have your #s for both my old Stage VIs and my Hughes CNC'd Victors. I expect the TFs will fall somewhere in between the two, as does their runner volumes. Re: how small the port volume on those Stage VIs were (are): 213-215cc on the ones I measured (NOT including the RB intake spacers). The MCSA was, realistically, small-block sized, but on my 452 it was a happy combination.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: BradH]
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10/06/15 01:41 PM
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1. Death 2. Taxes 3. Most Mopar guys are CHEAP SOBs Yeah, I'd say you can pretty much count on those three things in life. OK, so I do want to add that this was my comical way of responding to 64Post's comment. But (as Monte & Al pointed out), there's still a legion of Mopar people who aren't that far removed from the ported '906' heads, .590 MP cam , SS springs world. I'm extremely happy that Trick Flow came up w/ their new heads and hope they're profitable enough for the company to venture even deeper into the Mopar arena. I believe a lot of Mopar people are still stuck back in the Direct Connection days and/or trying to relive the good ole days. I myself still have 906s on my car, but that engine was built 16 years ago & hasn't been driven/raced much in the last ten. Would i now use 906s for a street/strip build, NOPE! Anything here after will have Indy, Edelbrock, Batten or Trick Flow.I'm all for improved/new tech parts, the more the better. My biggest regret so far is not buying a Koleno block when the opportunity was there. I'll also repeat what's been stated many times before. If Mopar enthusiasts don't start spending on new/improved performance products their choices will simply disappear.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: 451Mopar]
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10/06/15 02:33 PM
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I thought these were 75cc ??? Summit says 78 ? I know someone that wants to put a set on a 500" engine , but the chamber size makes his combo over 11.0 , he wants a 94 oct or less street motor.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: JohnRR]
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10/06/15 02:55 PM
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Trick Flow lists them all at 78cc. As did the spec. sheet that came with my heads.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: JohnRR]
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10/06/15 02:59 PM
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I thought these were 75cc ??? Summit says 78 ? I know someone that wants to put a set on a 500" engine , but the chamber size turns makes his combo over 11.0 , he wants a 94 oct or less street motor. Yep, this will be a bit of a problem until the piston mfgs retool a little bit. A lot of pistons are designed to provide pump gas compression with 84 cc heads. I had to dig around a little bit to find a set of pistons that gave me 10.5 compression for my 470. Diamond happened to have a dish size that worked for the 470 but in a larger engine the compression starts to grow. ICON has some big dish sizes for their stroker pistons but the "premium" vendors don't offer as many dish sizes.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
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10/06/15 03:09 PM
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So are these things even available yet? I remember looking at them at SEMA last year and then all the delays since. Just curious if they are actually out there yet. Getting ready to build a new street engine for a buddy and these may be a good fit and a way to get a good look at them.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
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10/06/15 03:19 PM
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Well that's good news. Maybe we will get a set ordered here soon
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
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10/06/15 04:19 PM
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Run it with 11 to 1. The better chamber desighn, aluminum and tight quench should make 94 octane a slam dunk with any respectable cam.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
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10/06/15 05:25 PM
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I will agree with that comment, lots of miles on 11:1 compression and 91 octane fuel. I have driven on 89 octane with no ill effects, and have occasionally raced on 93 when I can get it(drag week) and have seen no difference, it has even responded good to adding timing(37*).
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: Jerry Kathe]
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I should add, clarify.....my comments above are generic in term and not specific to the Trick Flow pieces. Actually TF has it right on these if they are at 1k ea assembled. Proof positive this can be done and done right. Jerry, you are missing the point. Yes, this is a nice head at a good price. But the problem is the market it is aimed at. This is just one of a BUNCH of heads pointed at the warmed over stock motor crowd. THIS is the area where most Mopar guys spend money.....NOT real racey stuff. The last GOOD inline valve race head was the B-1........and how long ago was that? And at this point the Predator head is several years old. As old as those heads are, you see few B-1 motors and fewer Predators. So why is somebody going to sink a ton of money developing a NEW "race" head, when not many even bought the older ones that are still available. The "serious hp" Mopar racer is just a VERY small market
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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10/06/15 10:36 PM
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I should add, clarify.....my comments above are generic in term and not specific to the Trick Flow pieces. Actually TF has it right on these if they are at 1k ea assembled. Proof positive this can be done and done right. Jerry, you are missing the point. Yes, this is a nice head at a good price. But the problem is the market it is aimed at. This is just one of a BUNCH of heads pointed at the warmed over stock motor crowd. THIS is the area where most Mopar guys spend money.....NOT real racey stuff. The last GOOD inline valve race head was the B-1........and how long ago was that? And at this point the Predator head is several years old. As old as those heads are, you see few B-1 motors and fewer Predators. So why is somebody going to sink a ton of money developing a NEW "race" head, when not many even bought the older ones that are still available. The "serious hp" Mopar racer is just a VERY small market Monte - most of the street guys are cheap too.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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10/06/15 11:37 PM
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Monte; {Jerry, you are missing the point. Yes, this is a nice head at a good price. But the problem is the market it is aimed at. This is just one of a BUNCH of heads pointed at the warmed over stock motor crowd.} No, not missing the point, but maybe not making my point clear. If you reference one of my “few” comments on these threads you will find that I have said the very same thing, heck….if TF cares to comment, they can tell you about the email I sent them that also said the very same thing. But in the same token…..I commend them at putting the effort in what looks to be a nice piece without gouging those interested. (the main point) {THIS is the area where most Mopar guys spend money.....NOT real racey stuff.} Circumstantial based on the barriers in the mopar community, why would you not run a purple shaft cam if your only using 906 heads….and if your using “that” why would you need more than leaf springs….get it….maybe only I do {The last GOOD inline valve race head was the B-1........and how long ago was that? And at this point the Predator head is several years old. As old as those heads are, you see few B-1 motors and fewer Predators. So why is somebody going to sink a ton of money developing a NEW "race" head, when not many even bought the older ones that are still available.} One word = practicality. Back to the horse I have been beating, who in their right mind would pay nearly 2x the cash for the better mopar stuff when compared to GM……I have my mopar pride but I’m not nuts. The "frivolous" Mopar racer is just a VERY small market – fixed it for ya
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: Jerry Kathe]
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10/06/15 11:40 PM
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That head at 2800 pounds has 8 second NA pass capabilities.
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