That's why it's a "Vintage Competition" ....wake up big guy

Rickster

Monte, read what's in this box as many times it takes till you see where the guys coming from. You totality dis-respected this endeavor by theses students and engine builders. What if it is impractical, Many things in life, including drag racing, is impractical but we still do it. They are learning something, and I applaud them.

I believe the guy with the puking pumpkin has it right. Thankyou puking pumpkin. J.Rob

I said the VERY same thing...........just that it was impractical for a "real world" build, which it is and Ramm agreed. I also said it was good teaching example for Judson and the kids at SAM and respected their ability to draw power from that type platform. Kaase will also get crazy power from a Y block Ford, but we all know guys will not be rushing to duplicate these motors, because they cost a fortune for the results you get. This is a "project" division and we all know it. I didn't disrespect anything. Some of you just want to argue

Plus, I know Judson and most of the guys at SAM personally, knew they were building this and talked to them about it. So I GUARANTEE he wouldn't think I was disrespecting him and really, HE is the only one I would be concerned with what they think regarding this project

Jesus y'all just want to argue in here to argue, I agree with what Monte said and like it or not he is right in his opinion. I didn't read any dis-respect in Monte's post neither but maybe I'm just crazy.

I dig the EMC, it shows what kicks a$$$ with the right combo in a rules setting. I mean come on, some guys enter to win, some enter to show what THEY can do. Who cares, I think its hellarious how much a$$$ kicking a 5.7 truck block Hemi has done to the LS guys. The DOHC Fords can shine with 49" twin primary boat headers and air plenums the size of a common bath tub, who give a f.....its cool and it pushes these guys to use their brains.

QFT

Well I like the fact that these guys were willing to take lots of unpaid hours and have to really think out of the box because these old motors that were really the baseline motors of most of our modern OHV Hot rodding have near ZERO Market out there for whatever they discovered. So it's all out of pure love and pure science for hot rodding. I don't know about y'all, but I respect that.

Did you ever have something laying around and tinker with it just to see if you could make it better than it was? That curiosity and necessity to just 'work with what I had' and what I could afford is pretty much the cornerstone of everything I ever learned about this hobby. At least the scope of this project wasn't anchored in "off the shelf" aftermarket parts, guys had to pretty much "hot rod" the old "junk".

The worst car projects I ever worked on I still wound-up learning something useful from...even if it was "yep, THAT was a waste of time!" It was still fun finding out.

I love that old tech, it makes you appreciate the innovation and tenacity the early hot rodders had. And some of the smartest and fastest hot rodders I know still have that fascination for the past...Look At Mike Daurity (Stephen's Dad); I had an absolute BLAST visiting with him and watching him fire up an old (early 1930's vintage maybe) Hit and Miss powered Farm Engine...I love the history of machinery, and this EM is kind of a nice break from the conventional modern "off the shelf" script.

You guys are gonna make me choke laughing!

Jrobbob or whatever can't remember through his hook in the pond with the most pitiful bait he could dig out the horses stall. A little challenge to Monte and someone else. Monte grabs that hook chomps hard and takes off with it. I'm an eager fish too, not talking smack. Then the pointless debates are on like donkey Kong.

Monte, take some advise from someone else who is also proud with tender toes. Let it go.

I think it is time for our country, all of us, to call a spade a spade when it is a spade Mopar quit making the Poly motors a long time ago for many reasons I know nothing of, the new LA motors where better on power per C.I. and probally cheaper to build I've owned and driven, maintain and rebuilt most of the ealry Mopar V8, poly and hemi, the new motors are better That is why it is called progress

Ok, here's my . Cool engine, it appears it was built for a certain class and hopefully it will do well against other vintage engines.

It impresses me if the HP numbers are accurate. Would I try to replicate it? No, but it proves with enough skill, time, money and the equipment to do it you can make good power with just about any engine platform.

Good job guys!

Very very very expensive 1 off parts in this build, but hey id stuff that beast in my ol 78 power wagon hillborn and all and have a helluva lot of fun.

Totally impractical,but very cool!

for many reasons I know nothing of

At that date (1955 model year), Chrysler had never built a "wedge" engine, although they were already on the market for 6 years (Olds, Caddy). It seems obvious to us, but at the time it was a "what if?" concept (prior to that, vertical OHV valves were common), which Buick got wrong at first.
After a few years, it looked like the wedge would work (the "B") and the valve gear would be cheaper than the poly. Finally, the LA in 1964.

In summation: cost and weight.

Can't wait to see the build thread on it, looks like they added aluminum plates on the intake and exhaust side. On the intake side it was likely to mount the stack injectors to but maybe also for reconfiguring the port?
I'll probably get chastised for this but this is the platform that SB racers/aftermarket/Mopar should've embraced 30 yrs ago. Canted valve, symmetrical port, lifted angles made for it etc. I know that ship has long sailed but that's my opinion. I'm not saying the exact stock valve angles are optimum (probably far from it) but all that can be moved around and played with, kind of like how BB Chevys have been tweaked far from their original configuration but are still "Chevy". Hope this line of thinking wasn't to impractical for some of you

I know this for sure...if that thing only makes 600HP a W-2 head with very little work would do that falling off a log, for way less cash.

We can wish on the what if's but most people bitched about buying rockers and headers and manifolds that were "W" series specific so why would moving the valve in the poly have been any different?

And small block heads were made that had valve angles and ports FAR superior to anything poly, but most of us couldn't get them, and the grand wizards of NHRA killed PST before most of that stuff was made in quantities that would fall to the lower classes.

I know the thing looks cool, and they guy at Chrylser Power is all wrapped up in the comeback of the poly but he is 15 years behind the last PST truck stuff and 35 years behind even W-2 stuff.

Without seeing more pictures it's hard to say, but the only thing they may have gained is SOME valvetrain stability with the poly valve lay out as that is what the the lifter bank angles were designed for. That too, has been accounted for in the blocks with 48* lifter bank angles.

It is really just a thing that was done to fit a class at EMC. As Monte said way back, cool but virtually useless as a product to the general public.

Just a guess but I would imagine they took a page from the SS Hemi play book and machined the intake and exhaust ports off as far as they could and bolted aluminum ones on that will flow the numbers.

Kevin

As I said in my post the ship for a Poly based race head sailed long ago, like 30+ yrs ago. So I agree completely but it's fun to think of what ifs. A W2 will make what this poly does easily for sure but it's still impressive

I guess I got a little off topic and here's what I meant:

I have nothing but love for the EMC Poly build, it's something I would love to do myself but money, equipment and time aren't there. Nontheless it's cool. RAAM, your last year's engine build was another over-the-edge build and I was wowed by that as well.

Where I got off topic was my rant on the push (by the Chrysler Power mag guys and Pavlovich) to try to make the Poly the next big thing. As was said above that ship sailed 30 years ago except it was 50! The last 4-barrel 318 Poly was built in 1962. The LA was built in its place for equivalent power and 50 lb weight reduction.

So the hoopla about Poly "superiority" is misguided at best and deceptive at worst. The biggest results I have seen so far are a bulge in the prices of Weiand 7503 intakes and huge increases in asking prices for Poly 318 blocks that should be giveaways.

R.

I just think it's friggin cool. EMC is not about practicality or building crate motors.

I'd put it up against a 348-409 Shivvy any day.