Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
[Re: BassMan]
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09/18/15 05:51 PM
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1st thing sell me the car for 1 dollar.
Sounds like flooding. Fuel pressure? Float levels? I'm thinking it floods and fouls plugs and never runs right afterwards. Could be heat related effecting fuel too. Hot fuel ...line too close to exhaust Foam and bubbles will flood the carb too. Needle and seat can't control foam.
I had a similar situation many years ago. Fuel was too hot...flooded carbs at random times.
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
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09/18/15 05:59 PM
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What were the conditions when it was OK and not OK? Traffic idling. Come to a stop after distance?
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
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The carbs are Edelbrocks, 1405 on the front and a 1406 on the rear. I'm wondering if I should get rid of those carbs and put on some Holleys?? Anyone have any suggestions?? Help!! This has been bandied about repeatedly here... Here's my recipe for 20+ years of success with a street-driven Edelbrock... Isolate the carb from the manifold(as in spacer)... Make sure delivery AND return are dialed-in properly... Mix your fuel with REAL fuel(as in Torco, Cam-2, whatever)... Been doing this for many moons, zero issues...
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
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The carbs are Edelbrocks, 1405 on the front and a 1406 on the rear. I'm wondering if I should get rid of those carbs and put on some Holleys?? Anyone have any suggestions?? Help!! This has been bandied about repeatedly here... Here's my recipe for 20+ years of success with a street-driven Edelbrock... Isolate the carb from the manifold(as in spacer)... Make sure delivery AND return are dialed-in properly... Mix your fuel with REAL fuel(as in Torco, Cam-2, whatever)... Been doing this for many moons, zero issues... I vote for Holley`s all the way..............they look and perform WAY better in my opinion......
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
[Re: BassMan]
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09/18/15 06:26 PM
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I vote on Holley type carbs also but with the Edelbrock there should be no reason to mix race gas unless the fuel in your area is known for being bad.
My car has pretty much ran great all summer but I've had an intermittent problem like yours where it will stumble and stall and not run right. After alot of parts blaming and parts changing I finally watched the carb closely the other day and the rear bowl would just fill up and drip out of the boosters. My fuel pressure was at 7 but I have a cheapo gauge, so I backed it down to 5.5 pounds and the car runs perfect, simple fix on mine.
Good luck with it.
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
[Re: ProSport]
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09/18/15 06:36 PM
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I vote on Holley type carbs also but with the Edelbrock there should be no reason to mix race gas unless the fuel in your area is known for being bad.
My car has pretty much ran great all summer but I've had an intermittent problem like yours where it will stumble and stall and not run right. After alot of parts blaming and parts changing I finally watched the carb closely the other day and the rear bowl would just fill up and drip out of the boosters. My fuel pressure was at 7 but I have a cheapo gauge, so I backed it down to 5.5 pounds and the car runs perfect, simple fix on mine.
Good luck with it. Exactly. ..sounds like flooding. .nice work Bob
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
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I vote on Holley type carbs also but with the Edelbrock there should be no reason to mix race gas unless the fuel in your area is known for being bad.
My car has pretty much ran great all summer but I've had an intermittent problem like yours where it will stumble and stall and not run right. After alot of parts blaming and parts changing I finally watched the carb closely the other day and the rear bowl would just fill up and drip out of the boosters. My fuel pressure was at 7 but I have a cheapo gauge, so I backed it down to 5.5 pounds and the car runs perfect, simple fix on mine.
Good luck with it. Here`s the deal...............NEW tech......bigger n&s`s and lower pressures is the hot ticket these days and check out the Quickfuel bowl fuel entry and notice the smooth transition NOT the big azz wall the fuel hits on it`s way into the bowl. Aeration in NOT our friend in the bowl so, on 4150`s I use a minimum of a .120 n&s and no more than 7 psi and dommies get a .130 and no more than 6 psi...........try it you may be surprised. Just did a dommy and it was JACKED w/a .110 n&s and many more issues........should fly now.
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
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09/18/15 10:22 PM
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I just chased a similar deal on a friends 70 Coronet R/T. Ported heads, small cam, stock intake and exhaust manifolds, AVS carb. I could have sworn it was a carb issue, wrong. Ran great then as it got hot it would stall, Pump it and it started right back up. I started checking voltages and found the coil voltage low. Back tracked to the ballast output and it was low. Tested the ballast input and it was low. All the readings were taken while running by back probing. By this time I ran a jumper wire from the battery to the ballast thinking the ignition switch circuit was compromised. The voltage didn't improve but the car continued to run. On my way to the next test the jumper was removed. Removing it caused the car to stall immediately. Several more times the jumper was reconnected and removed, stalled every time. The coil + voltage was still low even with the jumper. The ballast resistance was checked and found in spec at .5 ohm. I replaced the coil with a known good unit thinking the original coil winding's may be shorted causing high amp draw/low voltage. The substitute coil is still on it. Hasn't stalled since. Doug
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
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09/19/15 06:53 PM
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He said he had dirt in the carbs. Where did the dirt come from? I would be looking at some crap floating in the fuel tank blocking the pickup line.
Had a similar issue on a big loader one time. I know, not an apples to apples, but the result is the same. Crap was floating in the fuel tank and it would run great some times and other times it wouldn't run right at all. Finally had to take the fuel tank off, clean it out and all was well. Just my 2 cents. filters don't stop everything. If you have the right filter on it, if it passes threw it it will pass threw the smallest fuel orifice EDIT when we added a charcoal filter we had a issue with it when it would purge the charcoal filter.. it would suck in charcoal and plug a air bleed.. we had to put a filter on it... but this 70 he is playing with didnt have the charcoal filter
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
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09/19/15 07:22 PM
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He said he had dirt in the carbs. Where did the dirt come from? I would be looking at some crap floating in the fuel tank blocking the pickup line.
Had a similar issue on a big loader one time. I know, not an apples to apples, but the result is the same. Crap was floating in the fuel tank and it would run great some times and other times it wouldn't run right at all. Finally had to take the fuel tank off, clean it out and all was well. Just my 2 cents. filters don't stop everything. I have a 100 micron sintered Aeromotive pre-filter directly on the inlet side of my Magnafuel 300 pump and it traps small stuff very well and even found cell foam in it yesterday when I checked it after my pump died on me. So far the best filter I`ve ever tried and Magnafuel will replace what`s needed in your pump after the warranty expires for parts only no labor so that`s good news for those of us using em........
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
[Re: BassMan]
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09/19/15 08:18 PM
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The dirt was a black deposit of some sort in 1 side of the carb. My initial thought was the ethanol in the gas was deteriorating the rubber portions of my fuel line so I replaced the fuel filter and the rubber fuel lines but still no good. It has a new fuel tank but I guess it could be dirt plugging the pick up but why does it run fine for a few minutes and then act up? This car has not run right from day 1. When I first got it, it had a slight cruise speed (40-45 mph)miss that I finally solved by disconnecting the vacuum advance. First time I drove the car to a show the brand new fuel pump crapped the bed. Next it was the voltage regulator next the alternator next the power steering pump(twice). I've replaced the coil, ballast resistor, ECU-still misses. It's been totally unreliable! Make sure the vent isnt plugged up on the tank... just loosen the cap to check it
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Re: I hate my car!!!!!!!!
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Eddy's don't like fuel pressure over about 4 psi according to the local Carb Shop guy. I had a used Edelbrock that I could not stop flooding over , acting just like yours. It turned out it was a worn accelerater pump well which allowed flooding of the carb after about five miles of driving.
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