Re: new Challenger?
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11/28/05 11:49 AM
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So when they say "it is coming", do they mean the concept and production or just concept? According to the design chief, no plans for production...
from autoblog.com:
Chrysler released a small podcast for us journalists in which Kevin Verduyn, the Design Chief at Chrysler’s Advance Product Design Studio in Pacifica, CA, speaks out on the Challenger Concept that will debut at the Detroit show in January. Verduyn claims that the design originally took inspiration from muscle cars in general of the era, although as these pictures illustrate it turned out to be all Charger. The concept does have a full back seat and if produced Verduyn says he’d vote to keep it two-door.
Speaking of production, Verduyn states there are no plans to produce the Challenger Concept, although a positive reaction at the Detroit show will bolster its business case. Quite frankly, we can’t imagine the Chrysler Group, of all automakers, would pass on this concept. The company pressed the Prowler into service with a much weaker business case and as we all know, the modern muscle car segment is begging for players.
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Re: new Challenger?
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11/28/05 12:02 PM
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I don't understand the whole process, but from what I understand the Challenger is not so important in regards to the actual car, but what it represents. There is a fundimental shift in the way that the LX platform is being built on the factory line. Much smarter people than me on Allpar.com have tried to explain it, but I can't repeat how exactly they put it, so here is my explanation:
The new technology they are TRYING OUT is a way that multiple models of the same platform (LX) can be made on the same line in a manner that can be described as "Just in Time." Rather than put out a concurrant run of 5k Challengers in a row, they can make 1k, and put them out into dealers hands, and see how they do. If the Challenger (or any other LX) has high demand, they can put them through the line in the corresponding mix. So, in my understanding, they are being coy about when and how many Challengers will be produced because it really doesn't matter how many they SAY they will produce, since the overall goal is to keep that one factory running as close to %100 capacity all the time, and to sell each and every car it produces WITHOUT incentives.
The whole technique that DCX is trying out is MUCH more important to the company than the Challenger itself. However, getting the Challenger out is a proof of concept, and if it works, it means very very good things for DCX and the possibility of new and exciting models in the future (and even possibly mid year models and improvements).
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Re: new Challenger?
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11/28/05 01:19 PM
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I had a thought this weekend and want to run it past you guys: Do you think they will make the electronics in the car "tuner" friendly? If I want to add headers, a different cam, etc. to up the output of the motor, I dont want to have to fight with a closed system that wont allow the changes. I also dont want a "one size fits all" chip that is preprogrammed. Those systems SUCK. Any thoughts/opinions?
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Re: new Challenger?
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good question, but I think this car will be a lot like the LX cars. Is the Charger/300/Magnum tuner friendly? DCX might make you pay for an SRT-8 if you want any real performance.
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Re: new Challenger?
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11/28/05 04:39 PM
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Many refer to the 2006 Charger as the "Magnum Sedan", so as to keep things clear and consistant perhaps the Challenger should be refered to as the "Magnum Coupe"?
Nobody knows better.
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Re: new Challenger?
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11/28/05 05:40 PM
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A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle.
The best all-around performing cars for less than $40,000 are the Evo and STi, and both of them have 4 doors. In the One Lap of America top 10, three of them had four doors (300C SRT8, SRT-4, and Evo).
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Re: new Challenger?
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Quote: A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle.
I beg to differ.....see attachment
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Re: Chrysler's new exec sounds promising
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11/28/05 11:32 PM
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Just found this article on Chrysler's new exec .
Not really sure but perhaps this is promising for the new Challenger.
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from autoblog.com: Speaking of production, Verduyn states there are no plans to produce the Challenger Concept, although a positive reaction at the Detroit show will bolster its business case.
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from MSNBC article: To climb that mountain, LaSorda intends to boost Chrysler's sales by 1 million cars by 2010. Phase 1: next year's new-model onslaught, which will see Jeep double its offerings and Dodge return fire on the Mustang with its own retro-cool Challenger muscle car.
Interesting differences in what the two articles say... I could be wrong, but still believe the car has been approved for production... but it could still be canceled at the last minute if it is not well received by the public (not just the motorheads here... )
Here is a quote from a former Chrysler employee on Allpar... Quote:
from Allpar.Com thread on the Challenger concept car: (the guys at DCX are going to shoot me for the following...but here goes....)
An S1 is production intent. What this means is that the architecture of the vehicle (the way parts fit together and are assembled) is finished, the platform is finished (how the car will be assembled from a human production standpoint), and the feasability is finished (the "how the heck do we do this? portion). The only major hurdle to overcome is the production tooling (the "hard tooling") and installation in the real production plant, not the advanced manufacturing plant at Auburn Hills. The destign is also finished-what you see is what you get. The only way the car can be changed now into a 4 door is if there has been one developed concurrently with the 2 door. The only possible thing top go "wrong" is the potential (and it IS real) that final funding is not approved for production. In terms of cost-they are at the breakover point with S1. It is now "do it or don't do it" decision time. There are no other options.
To explain all the details that scream "S1" to me would take pages and I am sure that I would miss some. In general, it is the "theme" of the car-meaning how well the various legal requirements are integrated into the vehicle, how well the ergonomics are integrated (vision sight lines, etc) the completeness of the design. For example- rarely do you see working windows on a concept car (like the 1999 Charger), in these pictures, altho there COULD be removable windows, I doubt it beacuse that assumption (fixed windows) do not fit in with the other details that are present.
I am sorry I don't have more time to go into more detail...I'll try to later...
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At the moment I expect the Challenger to be unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show (NAIAS) as a concept, with another unveiling later in the year as a production version. The car may have a few things to work out yet, like a front impact bumper, reverse light, Etc...
Just my opinions... I wish DCX would come out soon and formally announce that the Challenger will reach production!
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Re: Chrysler's new exec sounds promising
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11/28/05 11:51 PM
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Yet another sign from a post on Allpar... the board member "sleeper" is apparently a current DCX employee and has a good record of providing insight into upcoming vehicles... still, no proof of course! Note: bold print and underlined print added for emphasis... Quote:
Today, 07:10 PM Post #670 sleeper Unusually Active Group: Members Posts: 1,057 Joined: 1-April 02 Member No.: 144
QUOTE(hemidakota @ Nov 28 2005, 10:54 AM)
I do agree with Bob. This car is beyond the concept level.
yes it is
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Re: Chrysler's new exec sounds promising
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A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle.
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The best all-around performing cars for less than $40,000 are the Evo and STi, and both of them have 4 doors. In the One Lap of America top 10, three of them had four doors (300C SRT8, SRT-4, and Evo).
Having just taken a Mustang from LA to Vegas and then to Frisco....and then had the opportunity to beat on a Charger SRT8 for 30 mins...I can tell you there is NO comparison.....absolutely NONE....the SRT drives like a gen Hi $$$$ European sports car..the Mustang drives like a sago pudding.....
and I'll say once again...DCX execs don't go winking at Joe Blow and getting all pumped over one off concepts...the new Chally WILL be a reality.
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Re: new Challenger?
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11/30/05 01:02 AM
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A 4 door will never be an exceptional handling or performing vehichle.
The best all-around performing cars for less than $40,000 are the Evo and STi, and both of them have 4 doors. In the One Lap of America top 10, three of them had four doors (300C SRT8, SRT-4, and Evo).
Ok NEVER should never be said. I couldnt tell you what kind of car that is but judging by its movements it isnt a stellar performer it just sat there. If I were here to debate every car obviously you would be correct to say a Four door can be an exceptional handling or performance vehichle. But my intended point is still acurate, If it was a 2 door it would be that much better.And likley look way better which = more desirable to me. I am sure that the 300C SRT8 ,SRT-4,AND EVO were bone stock. I am absolutly positive they were taken down to the local TUNER shop for the works which was paid for by DODGE other than the EVO. A two door version would out perfom each of these cars for no other reason than mass.Its not how much power you have its how little mass you must move or turn. More doors more mass! Speaking of MASS the massive amount of people who like two doors muscle/pony/sports cars are partly the reason for two doors being faster "read MUSTANG/CAMARO". Its not GM or FORD or even DODGE who make these cars stellar performers its the entrepreneur enthusiast who makes our cars such exceptional performers by supplying superior parts than OEM.
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Re: new Challenger?
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11/30/05 01:23 AM
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Courtesy of DaimlerChrysler Nice Ride: The Challenger concept car -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where LaSorda ultimately wants to steer Chrysler, though, is out of the Big Three. He'd rather move with the fast crowd: Honda, Nissan and Toyota. "They're the force to be reckoned with," he says. For now, Chrysler is not in their league, making just $500 per car while Toyota banks $2,000 on each model it sells. "Chrysler is on the edge of a cliff," says analyst Sean McAlinden. "They can look down on the rocks and see GM and Ford and look up on the mountain and see Toyota." To climb that mountain, LaSorda intends to boost Chrysler's sales by 1 million cars by 2010. Phase 1: next year's new-model onslaught, which will see Jeep double its offerings and Dodge return fire on the Mustang with its own retro-cool Challenger muscle car. LaSorda runs his product-development machine as lean as his factories: Chrysler now spits out 50 percent more new models on a budget that's been cut from $8.5 billion to $6 billion since 2000. "More with less," he says, smiling. "That's the secret of our success."
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Re: new Challenger?
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If Dodge puts out a real muscle Challenger, will it bring the prices of our E body Challengers up, down or steady. The prices on E bodys have gone nuts over the last 5 years, will it get any crazier! Does anybody got a feel for what the classic mustang fastbacks have done since the new mustang has been out? The concept seems to look very similar to my car that is attached
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