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Re: Gearvendors [Re: Dabee] #190011
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Eh...The GV is a nice unit....I was part of the big buy in from Moparts here about 3 years back. Took me a weekend to install plus the Monday morning following because the driveshaft needed shortening. All in all a very good install. Drove her from LA to Atlanta in 4 days with 3.55's....spinning 75mph at 2200rpm....

Along the way I found out my H-Pipe was entirely too close to the oil pan of the GVO and the gasket material melted....Still havent gotten around to relocating the H pipe...but I did get a few spare gaskets to have on hand for the future


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Re: Gearvendors [Re: DAYCLONA] #190012
01/11/09 08:00 PM
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What if? seeing it was a new item for Keisler, that the mfg that supplied to Keisler was on backorder?.....Kinda like when Mopar Performance puts you on back order for 6 months




Yeah but It'd be one thing if paying customers were paying the Mfg direct, but in this case, they're not. When somebody pays for something, they tend to go back to the people they handed their money to, right???

Re: Gearvendors [Re: MidPenMopar] #190013
01/12/09 11:23 AM
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didn't you have computer issues at first also? that could be a big problem for the back yard kind of guy





Yes i got a bad computer box right from the get go. They finally sent us a new one but it was not easy to get it sent to the shop. My mechenic had to do all sorts of those things first before we got sent a replacement unit. I was lucky that he was so nice to me and did not charge me for all the troubleshooting he had to do. He pretty much knew right away that the box was bad but we just could not get a replacement for weeks. One thing i fould out are that the transmissions are rebuilt units and NOT brand new. They come from a place in southern California.





Stu,

We had a battery of tests that needed to be checked before we would send out one of the most expensive parts of the conversion. It was our 1st field failure.

On the extra labor your shop charged to fix the shift shaft seal. The company we get our trans from sets the repair guidelines based on popular books that calculate labor based on the repairs needed. Keisler ended up eating and reimbursing you more that what they wanted to pay. The trans is still under warranty. This is the 1st time I heard you are still having leaks. Please get it to a shop so we can get it covered.

Also we actually get the trans built in Ne.

Let me know.

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Re: Gearvendors [Re: Keisler Sales] #190014
01/12/09 11:37 AM
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The company we get our trans from sets the repair guidelines based on popular books that calculate labor based on the repairs needed.





Gene that company qouted $50 to fix the shaft seal. Now they figured that = 1hr labor. The trans shop i took it too (who have been in businnes for over 35 years) charged me $250 for the 2.5 hours to drop the trans and take it apart to fix the couple of leaks. No way the shop said that could be done in 1 hr. by anyone unless it was on a bench. Anyway i got $190 of the $250 reimburshed from you guys in the end. You know me i am was not looking for anything more than what was fair. That part that was bad i understand was an expensive part, but i was just lucky to have a very understanding mechenic who helped me out on the labor to troubleshoot the problem.

So far, so good.

Stu

Re: Gearvendors [Re: Dabee] #190015
01/15/09 01:51 PM
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maybe I'll come down in early April and we can go through your 727 and put a seal kit in it and check it out as we put the GV on.
barry

Re: Gearvendors [Re: Pyper70] #190016
07/08/09 10:01 AM
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Well, looks like I'm bringing this back..

I'm thinking of getting an OD unit for my Daytona. It's a 4:10 car, so it's heck on the highway, but FUN around town. I'm seeing that I would probably have to fork out about $3,000 (+,-) for a finished situation. I don't see where Keisler has a single unit, is it the complete transmission? Mike?

Also, anyone with a picture or two where the modifications to the floorpan need to be made? My understanding is I'll have to dimple it for clearance. I know one has to modify a driveshaft, but do you still use the factory rear tranny crossover support?

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Re: Gearvendors [Re: hemi68charger] #190017
07/08/09 10:26 AM
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I don't see where Keisler has a single unit, is it the complete transmission? Mike?

Cheers,
Troy







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Keisler offers a whole transmission, not a add-on like Gear Venders,..........I've done both the Gear Vendors and the Keislers,.....Keislers set up far out weighs ANYTHING Gear Vendors has to offer IMHO

My Daytona has a Dana 4:10 gear 27 inch tires.....I'm running a Keisler TKO 600/650 with hyd throw out..... a .64 OD 5th gear, that works out to a 2:65 rear drive ratio in 5th,....which equates to a 140 MPH top end with 4:10's, .....or a nice cruising speed of 80 MPH at around 2200 RPM........highway gas mileage with my 440/6 dynoed 450 HP, .520 lift cam,....is 22 MPG consistently on long trips,........cruising between 70-90 MPH



IMHO, if you cheap out like most guys do, and go the Gear Vendors "route", you'll be dissapointed,......but, if you have no experience with a Keisler equipped car vs a Gear Vendors equipped car, you don't know what your missing,....I've been fortunate to have experienced both Gear Vendors auto and 4spd manual OD set-ups, they pale in comparison to the Keisler set-ups in reliability and performance




Mike

Re: Gearvendors [Re: DAYCLONA] #190018
07/08/09 11:30 AM
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unless you want to shift at higher than 6000 rpm, right?

Re: Gearvendors [Re: DAYCLONA] #190019
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IMHO, if you cheap out like most guys do, and go the Gear Vendors "route", you'll be dissapointed,.....

Mike




That's the problem, BIG bucks...... Was the Keisler plug-n-play or did you have to make numerous modifications to the OEM support equipment?

May just have to take off an hour or two before the crowd so they can catch up with me until I have a lot of disposable income. But, it would be nice to cruise at 80 at sub-2500 rpms.
Troy


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Re: Gearvendors [Re: aarcuda] #190020
07/08/09 12:38 PM
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unless you want to shift at higher than 6000 rpm, right?









I've shifted at 6200-6500 RPM intervals with a Keisler TKO 600/650 5spd,.....normally I don't subject my engine to that abuse, unless racing, in street use there's no need for that kind of RPM, even "street racing"......the Keisler units can take some serious abuse, trust me, I know first hand,......a lot of misimformation exsists about Keislers units, and Tremecs in general,.....granted at one time Tremecs were crap transmissions, but in 1997 Tremec and Borg Warner Drive became one enitity, producing a "world class" transmission, although still marketed under the Tremec name,......the amount of not just Keisler, but Tremecs in use among the "car crowd/hotrodders" is staggering,......the "Mopar people" are the last on the "bandwagon" of joiners.........I'd pit my Keisler equipped cars against an equaly equipped gear vendors car any day, and have, until GV can convince me otherwise that their unit is superior,....I'll stick with a TKO

Re: Gearvendors [Re: DAYCLONA] #190021
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unless you want to shift at higher than 6000 rpm, right?









I've shifted at 6200-6500 RPM intervals with a Keisler TKO 600/650 5spd,.....normally I don't subject my engine to that abuse, unless racing, in street use there's no need for that kind of RPM, even "street racing"......the Keisler units can take some serious abuse, trust me, I know first hand,......a lot of misimformation exsists about Keislers units, and Tremecs in general,.....granted at one time Tremecs were crap transmissions, but in 1997 Tremec and Borg Warner Drive became one enitity, producing a "world class" transmission, although still marketed under the Tremec name,......the amount of not just Keisler, but Tremecs in use among the "car crowd/hotrodders" is staggering,......the "Mopar people" are the last on the "bandwagon" of joiners.........I'd pit my Keisler equipped cars against an equaly equipped gear vendors car any day, and have, until GV can convince me otherwise that their unit is superior,....I'll stick with a TKO




i believe i got that info from gene himself- that the tranny will not let you shift it if you are over 6000 rpm.

superior can be defined many ways. and not being able to shift at my shift point makes it useless to me.

in my opinion, getting into a showdown and finding that youre stuck in second while a mustang passes you would be pretty embarrasing.

Re: Gearvendors [Re: aarcuda] #190022
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I see a lot of people talking about the high cost of a keisler but no $$$. What is the rough cost of one of these transmissions?

Re: Gearvendors [Re: aarcuda] #190023
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i believe i got that info from gene himself- that the tranny will not let you shift it if you are over 6000 rpm.

superior can be defined many ways. and not being able to shift at my shift point makes it useless to me.

in my opinion, getting into a showdown and finding that youre stuck in second while a mustang passes you would be pretty embarrasing.








I think I remember that thread,...Gene recommended that if your intention was to have a car that was constantly in the 6000RPM range, being shifted then the Keisler TKO wasn't for you,...However the TKO can be build to operate in that range, if you want to spend the money, your TKO can be sent to a number of shops, that perform the necessary mods,.....but lets face a little reality here,....your not going to be driving on the streets doing 6000+RPM shifts all the time, are you?......

If I need my car to perform at that range, and it has, I've never encoutered a problem shifting, or power shifting,......I think your also confusing the 3rd gear "lock out" on the TKO with high RPM shifting, 3rd gear "lock out" occurs when the operator slams the 3rd gear, it will lock at at any speed,....it's just a matter of retraining yourself to shift the TKO differently,....I can speed shift a Keisler just as fast as any other 4 spd

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IMHO, if you cheap out like most guys do, and go the Gear Vendors "route", you'll be dissapointed,.....

Mike




That's the problem, BIG bucks...... Was the Keisler plug-n-play or did you have to make numerous modifications to the OEM support equipment?

May just have to take off an hour or two before the crowd so they can catch up with me until I have a lot of disposable income. But, it would be nice to cruise at 80 at sub-2500 rpms.
Troy







Troy wether you go GV or Keisler, your gonna have some mods to do, if you think your gonna just "dimple" the floor for either application,......not!....

If you go GV on the auto in your car, you have to remove the stock tailshaft, and transplant GV's in place, the rear tunnel has to be "dimpled" with a BFH for room, it ain't pretty, but you need to get the tranny up into the tunnel, the shaft has to be shortened, there's some wiring, a control box, and floor switch, much like a dimmer switch to activate the system,....the GV is a good system,....for the money, the problem I have with the GV is it's electronicly engaged,.......and if your running some serious gear, as you are, and your into it 90+MPH and the "box" decides to "dropout" on you?...guess what?, rear end lock up! and/or astronomical RPM's that could damage your engine,.....and for the naysayers that say that wouldn't happen, I driven, and been in customers cars that have experienced that, you lose electrical power, or feedback from the ignition cuts the "box" out, your OD drops out too,.....I know GV has addressed the proplem with updated boxes,....I've installed a few, and still had an experience of a GV dropping out at speed, it ain't fun!.......with a TKO/Keisler you wouldn't experience this condition because the tranny is purely mechanical, no "voodoo" electronics to rely on

The downside Troy, if you go Keisler is your going to need the "manual" stuff, seeing yours is auto, so pedals, a floor hump, new carpet(maybe), mods to your console, ex, 4spd toplate/boot, side trim, side carpet/backerboard,...you know the drill.......Keisler has a repro shifter for the 69 B body, pedals if you need them, the driveshaft is included in the price,....IMHO, I'd recommend the TKO 5, 600/650 with .64 OD, the best your going to get with GV's is .78......the complete Keisler setup with HYD throwout will set you back about $4500-$5K depending on what you need

The other alternative is a Passon 4spd set up, that's going to run you $3800+......plus the required 4spd stuff, bellhousing, clutch PP, TO, shifter, linkage, pedals, floor mods, etc, etc, when your done with the Passon, you might be into it for about a $1000 less than the Keisler set up,...and you only have a .80 OD 4th gear......which IMHO, why bother, unless a stock look is what your after,....don't get me wrong Jamie P. makes a good product


Choice is yours,...IMHO, the Keisler is superior to the above set-ups,...everyone has a different intention for their car's use, you just need to decide with is best for you,.....their all gonna cost $$$, just make the choice that suits your use

Re: Keisler/Gearvendors [Re: Pyper70] #190025
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Don't be so hasty to install a Keisler Automatic. I bought one in 07 and brought my car out this year after a 5 year project. I followed their install instructions and it failed to ingauge in 3rd 4th overdrive. With many Emails and frustration my 70 Challenger is out of service. They accused me of burning out top gears because of mis-adjusted TPS. I've been an mechanic for 30 years and know how to set a tps. Because I'm out of the 1 year warrenty they Will Not Stand behind their transmission. For $5000.00 I think I got the shaft.Now I have to pay to have it rebuilt. They won't even let me talk to upper management. Very POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Keisler/Gearvendors #190026
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The guy that started this particular thread has his Super bee out with the new gear vender unit. He sounds extremely happy.
It does not sap power like OD transmissions do.
Think he said 2600 is 80 with 3.54 dana.
I helped go through his tranny and the unit just goes on like a trained duck.
SMR transmission sells one using a motor home output shaft which is much shorter
http://www.smrtrans.com/

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Re: Keisler/Gearvendors [Re: Dodgem] #190027
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Re: Keisler/Gearvendors [Re: Dodgem] #190028
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Re: Keisler/Gearvendors [Re: Dodgem] #190029
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sides right on

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Re: Keisler/Gearvendors [Re: Dodgem] #190030
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I don't think he hardly touched the floor on the super bee

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