Car wont start...weak spark
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08/22/15 03:58 AM
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Had car warming up in the garage a bit before heading out for a drive. Just dies, fires up again, runs for a while but dies again.
Now it wont start, last time this happened I had a bad ECU. So I always keep spares, but I tried one known working ECU and another new one I bought at NAPA.
Anyway, I have fuel to the engine, and I checked for spark out of the coil to the dizzy cap, spark present. Checked for spark at the #1 plug, have a spark but seems a bit weak. My coil is new in june, a blaster high vibration one, I got 12v at the + coil terminal with key on, 4-6v on the negative. I checked the pigtail coming out of the distributor has approx 350 ohms. Rotor is turning inside dizzy, I tried 2 different ballast resistors. At one point I flooded the car, so I removed all the spark plugs to vent the cylinders and clean the plugs off, Removed bulkhead connectors and visually inspected ok. I am unsure where to check next..........any suggestions?
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Re: Car wont start...weak spark
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08/22/15 06:16 AM
08/22/15 06:16 AM
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MoparforLife
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make sure that your battery is fully charged and that the charging system is working properly. Ignition needs at least 12 volts on a Mopar ignition system to fire.
Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks.
But: Don't fix it, if it Works!
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Re: Car wont start...weak spark
[Re: MoparforLife]
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08/22/15 01:58 PM
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RapidRobert
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You might pull the idle mixture screws and shoot a 2 second blast of brake kleen into each port then replace the screws. I'm assuming your idle speed/idle mixture/initial are OK
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Re: Car wont start...weak spark
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08/22/15 08:05 PM
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RapidRobert
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Turns out the coil was at fault. Msd blaster high vibration coil. Only had it installed since June! Success! & I was considering a high vibration coil for the stock car. I did have a MSD 6 that died from just sitting on the bench. I never forgot the one guys' moniker (on here): Might Sputter & Die
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Re: Car wont start...weak spark
[Re: Publicbottle]
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08/23/15 01:02 AM
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. Turns out the coil was at fault. Primary resistance checked out ok at around 1.0ohm, secondary measured around 67kohms.
The new one measures 1.0 ohm and about 51k ohms out of the box.
Msd blaster high vibration coil. Only had it installed since June! I'd still call MSD and see what they have to say...Two months seems a little short for the coil mabe you could get something out of them...But don't hold your breath...Mabe the boat coming from overseas was a little rough on that trip..
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Re: Car wont start...weak spark
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08/23/15 01:06 AM
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RapidRobert
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I'd still call MSD and see what they have to say.. first thing they (likely) will ask you is how much ballast you used
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Re: Car wont start...weak spark
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08/24/15 07:22 PM
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Well back on the road after replacing another coil. This time i got a basic accel coil. Car started right up. I don't know what's killing the coils, I have the block grounded on the drivers side head to the rad support thru the negative battery cable, passenger side head bonding strap going to the ecu and the firewall. Maybe not a grounding issue....? i had a problem with my truck dying after it got some run time, turns out it was the coil. it also showed itself as intermittent no start even when cold a few times as well. turns out one coil was an msd blaster, very few miles. replaced with an old accel superstock and it ran fine for a few longer around town trips. then after reading i decided to jump the ballast on the coil side so it had about .5ohms. accel told me the coil was internally resisted so it needed no ballast. after the first long drive it started dying on me after about 25 mins. if i let it cool down for about 10-15mins i could get it going for another 5 or so. i replaced the coil with a new accel and then just put an msd streetfire on the thing. no problems since...
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Re: Car wont start...weak spark
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08/24/15 09:29 PM
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Heat might be doing it, where is the coil mounted? Where is the fan controller mounted?
Years ago, I help a friend put a 327 into his Chevy Luv and we had to run an electric fan. Found out the hard way that the Vette temp sensor we used to control the fan needed to control a relay and not the fan directly, killed the sensor. Is the controller cycling a relay to turn the fan on and off?
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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Re: Car wont start...weak spark
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08/25/15 12:19 AM
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RapidRobert
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Yes it is poor quality in general & Murphys law EDIT get another one and one for the glove box & make sure you have enough ballast (or even go up a bit there). as you know breakdowns ain't no fun & ususually happen at the most inopportune time
Last edited by RapidRobert; 08/25/15 01:12 PM.
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