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Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit #1312456 09/29/12 03:51 PM 09/29/12 03:51 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina cjskotni OP pro stock
cjskotni OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina	Guys, I have been reading some of the more recent posts on here about the shortcoming of the Lokar kit namely that the ratio on the carb lever does not match the ratio on the kickdown lever causing the kickdown to be almost unadjustable. I have the Lokar kit and I want to stick with it. I know Bouchillon has their version which is supposedly better but I don't want to pay 125$ for that right now...please don't suggest that. The issue I am running into now is I can adjust to the point where the tranny kicks down at WOT but then the tranny won't upshift from 2nd to 3rd at light throttle until I let off the gas entirely. If I adjust it the other direction to the point where the tranny shifts properly at part throttle, it isn't far enough to kick down at all when at WOT. I have read that you can make the ratio more correct by drilling the lever inward a bit to re-locate the stud thereby reducing the ratio. Can somebody give me a rough idea how far in I should drill to move the stud in? I know this isn't an exact science but I don't want my lever to turn to swiss cheese doing this! Any ideas would be appreciated. You can use my photo and make a dot where it worked for you maybe? PS carb is a Holley 4150. 7399566-WhiteOak-20120929-00357.jpg (261 downloads)

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: cjskotni] #1312457 09/29/12 04:02 PM 09/29/12 04:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,548 Norwich CT USA moparts I Live Here
moparts I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,548 Norwich CT USA	Over the years there are different length leavers out there. So drilling should work fine, just finding the correct length to work correctly. Tom , 2011 Ram 3500 C&C Diesel 2009 Challenger R/T 1971 Challenger Conv. 511/4 speed 1970 Challenger R/T 503/727

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: cjskotni] #1312458 09/29/12 05:12 PM 09/29/12 05:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,748 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,748 Rio Linda, CA	Measure the total travel of the carb lever (from warm idle to WOT) where the Lokar cable attaches. Then find the place on the trans lever (from full forward to full rearward) that matches the carb travel dimension and drill your hole there. When you've done that, attach a light spring in the unused original hole to pull the lever forward. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: John_Kunkel] #1312459 09/29/12 07:07 PM 09/29/12 07:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,062 Amherst,NY challengermike super stock
challengermike super stock Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,062 Amherst,NY	you can change the ratio by moving where the cable connects to the carb. closer to the throttle shaft the less it will pull the further away (down) the more throw. I usually drill a new hole in the carb closer to the throttle shft(butterfly arm). You can do the same with the trans arm also. I use locar cables all the time and they work perfect for me. Last edited by challengermike; 09/29/12 07:08 PM.

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: moparts] #1312460 09/30/12 09:36 AM 09/30/12 09:36 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	Quote: Over the years there are different length leavers out there. So drilling should work fine, just finding the correct length to work correctly. I have a hand full of leavers and they are different lengths and the D-hole is clocked different on some of them as well. I have changed them to re-clock the D-hole to get the lever to move further back at WOT with cobbled together linkage on my junk.

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: John_Kunkel] #1312461 09/30/12 10:25 PM 09/30/12 10:25 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina cjskotni OP pro stock
cjskotni OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina	Quote: When you've done that, attach a light spring in the unused original hole to pull the lever forward. Any idea where to buy a bracket to attach the spring to? Doesn't anybody make a bracket to bolt on the front of the tranny to be the front attchment point for this spring? It seems the lever will pull itself back ont its own but I am guessing an extra spring wouldn't hurt... Please me find a bracket to do this. Thanks!

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: cjskotni] #1312462 09/30/12 11:34 PM 09/30/12 11:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,076 Berlin, N.J. A abodyjoe I Live Here
abodyjoe I Live Here A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,076 Berlin, N.J.	Quote: Guys, I have been reading some of the more recent posts on here about the shortcoming of the Lokar kit namely that the ratio on the carb lever does not match the ratio on the kickdown lever causing the kickdown to be almost unadjustable. I have the Lokar kit and I want to stick with it. I know Bouchillon has their version which is supposedly better but I don't want to pay 125$ for that right now...please don't suggest that. The issue I am running into now is I can adjust to the point where the tranny kicks down at WOT but then the tranny won't upshift from 2nd to 3rd at light throttle until I let off the gas entirely. If I adjust it the other direction to the point where the tranny shifts properly at part throttle, it isn't far enough to kick down at all when at WOT. I have read that you can make the ratio more correct by drilling the lever inward a bit to re-locate the stud thereby reducing the ratio. Can somebody give me a rough idea how far in I should drill to move the stud in? I know this isn't an exact science but I don't want my lever to turn to swiss cheese doing this! Any ideas would be appreciated. You can use my photo and make a dot where it worked for you maybe? PS carb is a Holley 4150. i've been using lokar cables for years now on a lot of different cars. i've never had to drill the leaver to get it to work properly. i have always used the a-body leaver which seems to be quite a bit shorter then the one in your picture. It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt. www.MoparMisfits.com

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: abodyjoe] #1312463 10/01/12 12:05 AM 10/01/12 12:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,922 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,922 Grand Prairie,Texas	Make a bracket it's not that hard. It doesn't need to be much because the spring you need is really light.

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: stumpy] #1880206 07/28/15 06:08 PM 07/28/15 06:08 PM
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KnuckleDuster top fuel Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,723 North Austin	Dug this one up, but I am having the exact same issue with the 2-3 shift with a Holley. Not buying a new kit, either. Anybody got a pic of the lever they used for perfect shifts and kickdown with a Holley carb? Thanks! Last edited by KnuckleDuster; 07/28/15 06:09 PM.

Re: Drilling 727 Kickdown Lever for Lokar Kit [Re: cjskotni] #1880208 07/28/15 06:14 PM 07/28/15 06:14 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Originally Posted By cjskotni Guys, I have been reading some of the more recent posts on here about the shortcoming of the Lokar kit namely that the ratio on the carb lever does not match the ratio on the kickdown lever causing the kickdown to be almost unadjustable. I have the Lokar kit and I want to stick with it. I know Bouchillon has their version which is supposedly better but I don't want to pay 125$ for that right now...please don't suggest that. The issue I am running into now is I can adjust to the point where the tranny kicks down at WOT but then the tranny won't upshift from 2nd to 3rd at light throttle until I let off the gas entirely. If I adjust it the other direction to the point where the tranny shifts properly at part throttle, it isn't far enough to kick down at all when at WOT. I have read that you can make the ratio more correct by drilling the lever inward a bit to re-locate the stud thereby reducing the ratio. Can somebody give me a rough idea how far in I should drill to move the stud in? I know this isn't an exact science but I don't want my lever to turn to swiss cheese doing this! Any ideas would be appreciated. You can use my photo and make a dot where it worked for you maybe? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif" alt="" /> PS carb is a Holley 4150. Not a great picture. I took a old throttle pressure lever and mounted it onto my linkage. I can now slide my pivot point up or down to get the stroke right. Might not look so great but works for me. Better picture. Last edited by Challenger 1; 07/28/15 06:23 PM.

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