Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER (update)
[Re: theraif]
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07/06/15 11:25 PM
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Dragway 42 is my home track and I can't wait until they get it done and I was fully prepared to buy a diaper so I could enjoy the track I was looking at just yesterday. To me it wasn't going to be that big of a deal but I just need to do a side job for some new belts and a diaper It seemed like a bit of overkill to me when I first heard about it but then I figured his track his rules so I'm getting a diaper. Gus
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER (update)
[Re: theraif]
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07/07/15 12:28 AM
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Glad to hear the track decided to follow the sanctioning bodies et requirements for the diaper.
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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07/07/15 04:57 AM
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I think it is a GREAT rule and my answer to the ones that didn't like it would be "go somewhere else, or stay home". You wanna play you pay......it's that simple I have no problem with your opinion Monte...so that's what I did! Now NHRA is crying about dwindling car counts. My last year in NHRA SST was 2008, because in 2009 they announced SST cars had to have a diaper, and I wasn't about to put one on my stock k-member car, so I took my toys and went home, then sold the car. Now, I have a strut car, that will get a belly pan, but I'm not messing with a diaper, and it has nothing to do with the cost.
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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07/07/15 10:50 AM
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This fellow that is building the track just learned that there has to be compromise between safety and cost. Edgewater in Ohio implemented a 6.39 ET requirement for a diaper several years ago. Today you see very few door cars dial below 6.40 at that track. It is not only the diaper, though, it is the chassis cert, full cage, full racing suit, license required. Edgewater announced at their banquet one year that the diaper rule would go to 7.00 for the following season. The management received so many negative comments that they rescinded the new rule. A track manager that announces unpopular rules changes without polling the racers is shooting himself in the foot. Same thing at Kilkare, new owner, completely rebuilt track, came up with stupid new rules and his car count plummeted.
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
[Re: theraif]
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07/07/15 12:41 PM
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If I wasn't at work I would post the pictures of the Arrow after I hit a guardrail at Farmington....the diaper was at home in the basement. Not a huge expense and well worth it for many reasons in my opinion. I won't run anything without one now.
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
[Re: theraif]
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07/07/15 03:52 PM
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Here is my thoughts on the diaper and other safety issues. Belts, helmets, jackets, shoes, gloves, neck restraints.....whatever. YOU don't want to wear them or pay for them, I DON'T CARE, because that is YOUR azz, you have no consideration for. A diaper on the other hand I DO CARE, because that could be MY azz, when you oil the track and collect my car in your crash......or at the least, create several hours of downtime. As with most anything in this world, the ones who complain the loudest are only concerned about how their actions effect THEM, they don't seem to have much concern about how it effects others
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
[Re: theraif]
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07/07/15 04:58 PM
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Here is what my local track (Maryland International Raceway) did this year: We continue to encourage all drivers that race purpose built race cars (not street cars) to consider putting an engine diaper on their car. The IHRA rulebook requires diapers in all of their pro classes plus Top Sportsman, Top Dragster and Quick Rod. Any car that is supercharged or nitrous injected that runs 7.99 or quicker 1/4 or 5.00 or quicker 1/8 mile is also required to have a diaper per IHRA rules.
We feel all racers should consider installing an engine diaper on their car. No one will be turned away at tech if they do not have one, we are just trying to point out the real benefit to every racer. Installing an engine diaper could save your car, it could save you from possible injury or maybe even save your life. It will also save valuable track time for the enjoyment of fellow racers and fans. It will help reduce track expenses for cleanup and the extra time saved from cleanup will allow more cars to go down the track - resulting in earlier event completion. On some Test & Tunes this year (when time permits), we hope to reward pro-active racers by giving a bonus run to those drivers with diapers on their cars.
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
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07/07/15 06:49 PM
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I don't blame you........I myself prefer a belly pan and you CAN put one on a car with a stock crossmember. We have done several. I hate diapers too. Went the belly pan route. worked really well. I don't think i could have have done a diaper for the tight constraints under my car.
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
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07/08/15 02:21 PM
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Finally, Chuck, the voice of reason. Although not a proponent of diapers, I would think that 9.99 might be a more reasonable number.
I have been watching this thread....Ronnie & I host a monthly Nostalgia deal at PRP, and it's been fairly successful in getting some of the old race cars out of the garage, at least once a month. Most are not hard core racers, but old racers with old Maxies, 409s, etc.
I know that telling these guys they'd have to put a diaper on their 11.30 Maxie vintage race car would cause them to just roll right back into the garage and slam the door, again. In my case, with a Hemi B body, I'd probably finally just park it and head to nostalgia shows because, to be frank, for me it just would not be worth the hassle and nightmare of putting one on. Some of us have been doing this for 30, 40+ years without one, and would not do it because some 19 year old kid with a turbocharged 6 cylinder that revs to the moon comes apart when he pushes the nitrous button. I've made literally thousands of passes since 1969, and really could walk away from active racing tomorrow. When one reaches a certain age bulls##t comes a bit less tolerant.
Personally, I think this smacks of the two year belt rule, and others that seem to be designed to help contingency sponsors. All of a sudden we will find "ABC Company" has the "approved" diaper, and BTW just happens to post contingency money.
You guys are using your head, Chuck. BTW.....in a shameless plug, the next Bud's Auto Sales Nostalgia Combo Eliminator is scheduled for Friday, June 17. You can check the site, or check the facebook page. Steve, be afraid if I'm the voice of reason. I'm just passing along the info D42 posted. I agree with you that the ET cutoff was way too high. Like you said, a couple simple bolt ons on a new Challenger, Charger, Mustang, Camaro, etc, and they're deep into the 11s. Pretty hard to put a diaper or pan on one of those cars. And a lot of oil downs are like you describe, someone not caring how bad they are pushing the limits. I also believe a lot of oil downs are from transmissions - way too many shortcuts taken in trans lines. But, if you race often, regardless of ET, I think a diaper is a good idea. Monte is correct, so many will spend the money on bling, or to go a few hundreths quicker, so the money aspect shouldn't be a concern. Parts fail, regardless of how well you build something, maintain it, drive it. I kicked a rod into the oil pan at the top of first gear end of 2012 at PRP. I got it pulled over and stopped with no worries. Had it been at the top of 2nd, or 3rd, it would have been a ride, I fear. And that's going 12.20s. I will have a diaper or pan on. Ask Mike Kelly, with the Palindrome Barracuda, how much he values his diaper. He lost the engine shortly before the 1/4 mile stripe.
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
[Re: HemiDart68]
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07/08/15 10:22 PM
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Went the belly pan route. worked really well. I don't think i could have have done a diaper for the tight constraints under my car.
Do you have any pictures you would be willing to share? I have been under the Cuda trying to figure out a way to do it, but there just doesn't seem to be a good way to get one to fit. -Dave
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
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07/09/15 10:56 AM
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If there is clearance, 1/8 inch, between the headers and block, and the K frame, it will probably fit. DRE provided mine, fits like a glove around the oil pan, with Kevlar sides that go from the pan up the sides of the block, with notches for the pump and motor mounts. The Kevlar can go against the headers. I thought mine would be tough to put on, but once you figure how to secure the straps, its relatively easy. I have one strap going to a header bolt, the rest wrap around the motor mounts and one across the top of the trans. You can't really see it from the top in my 63 Plymouth Sport Fury.
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
[Re: ChuckT]
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07/09/15 12:04 PM
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You are right Chuck, I really do value my diapers,I have used them for a few years. I also have one on the trans, covers all the lines and pan. As you know I also cracked the tail shaft case.I was probably still going 130 mph when it happened.But through all that not a drop on the slicks. With that said I have a lot of room to work with,having fenderwell headers,so don't have the issues that a lot guys have to deal with. Even with the great work that Bob and A J do at BG Racing things still happen.(Especially when I pushed it to many runs before pulling the pan) but thanks to them, we are back in shape and ready to go at it.I would say if there is any way you can make a diaper work for you,do it.I have been doing this for 40 years and never had one come outside the block,just because it never has doesn't mean it never will. Mike
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
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07/09/15 12:28 PM
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After plowing through 4 pages of why you should / shouldn't use a diaper / belly pan, I still contend that 11.99 is way OVERKILL! That rule effects the majority of the street driven cars at my track that are probably not making 500HP and just about never blow up. Unneeded, unnecessary, undrivable( in some street situations ), to the majority of racing attendees' that seldom ( at that HP level ) blow their stuff up. Since NHRA and some tracks, can't seem to pick a realistic ET #, and it sure as hell doesn't seem as though they polled the racers, I think we need to pick a # for them. Oil downs are a real bummer ( and I have set through many of them - pic ), but letting NHRA pick a ridiculous # like that is ----, well, RIDICULOUS!
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Re: 11.99 ENGINE DIAPER
[Re: theraif]
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09/06/15 01:27 PM
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Unfortunately I will be a spokesman for DRE once again. Pulled a rod and 8 quarts of oil out of the diaper at Norwalk on Friday. Not a drop on the track. For clarity this was NOT a BGR mill that only lasted 5 laps. I won't say who built it since no one here would know anyway.
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