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Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: 68cuda440] #1843538
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Picture could help. Could also benefit from flipping the bolts to put the nuts on top.

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Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: 68cuda440] #1843546
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Originally Posted By 68cuda440
Picture could help. Could also benefit from flipping the bolts to put the nuts on top.


Thanks. That helped.

I'd put pan head Allen bolts pointing upward. It would look cleaner and less chance of being whacked. But might make tightening the nuts on the other side a PITA.

With a car with a lot of suspension mods, people have a much greater tendency to look under it.

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Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: DeMopuar] #1843549
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Originally Posted By DeMopuar
I was down by Charlotte at the NASCAR All Star Race and the attached photo is how they support the sector, which is very similar to how Firm Feel does it, they just have it welded in.


Thanks a ton for that picture. beer

Makes me think. work wrench weld sawzall

Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: MarkZ] #1868459
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So I have this box and I have the same problem you had. Altbough because now it flexes I get a leak in the box and ps fluid everywhere, did you experience the aame thing? Im hoing to locktite them in(my kmember has been fulky gusseted and welded up before I did this install)

My flex is due to bolts backing out

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As a second question, with the firm feel sector support kit what does the bearing go on to? Does it go on the shaft below the locknut? is there enough shaft on your gyys cars to do that? With the box I have the locknut is barely flush with the shaft, so I dont think this kit would help, in this case

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Originally Posted By dangina
As a second question, with the firm feel sector support kit what does the bearing go on to? Does it go on the shaft below the locknut? is there enough shaft on your gyys cars to do that? With the box I have the locknut is barely flush with the shaft, so I dont think this kit would help, in this case


68Cuda440 is running the small spline 68-72 A-body pitman arm. So he is running a small spline box.

Dangina, are you running a large spline box? From the pictures in the posts I've read the large splines have less threads showing. But I don't know if that's been corrected with the new Borgenson boxes.

Do you have the new or old version?

Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: MarkZ] #1868586
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Not sure, but I think I have the old. (I bought it over a year ago and I just fired the engine yesterday) Im pretty sure its cracked as I lose all of my fluid pretty quick, im pissed off as hell as I havent even driven the car and my $800 f***ing ps box is broken off the bat

Large spline box here

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Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: dangina] #1868628
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Originally Posted By dangina
Im pretty sure its cracked as I lose all of my fluid pretty quick, im pissed off as hell as I havent even driven the car and my $800 f***ing ps box is broken off the bat


Do you have the correct style fittings on the box with the O-Rings intact?

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Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: 68cuda440] #1868633
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Originally Posted By 68cuda440


Do you have the correct style fittings on the box with the O-Rings intact?



I believe i do, i did it a year ago, I'll have to check tommorrow, but thanks for this, from what i can see there is no leaking from the fittings

Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: MarkZ] #1868661
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I don't have bolts works loose but ny box had a pinhole leak in a weld right in a corner.
It would drip a drop of oil about every 10 seconds on the floor when the engine was running.

I was offered a replacement box by Borgenson but declined because of the time my car would be out of use. The car is a daily and its old powersteering hose had broken upon removal so I fixed the tiny leak myself.
At first tried to weld it up, but that wasn't that easy as I hoped because of remaining fluid behind it. But I was able to use a small punch and close up the pinhole fairly easy.

With the sectorsupport, the original nut seems to be replaced with one where the bearing is mounted on.
I like to get this support kit as well for my box one day.

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Originally Posted By BigBlockMopar

With the sectorsupport, the original nut seems to be replaced with one where the bearing is mounted on.
I like to get this support kit as well for my box one day.


Yes, the nut is also the shaft that goes through the bearing, you do not use the nut that comes with the box. Before I put mine on the road I am going to trim it down some so it does not hang below the K-frame. In the following two pictures I added red dots on the nut below and above the bearing to help you see it.

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Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: dangina] #1868774
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[quote=dangina]Not sure, but I think I have the old. (I bought it over a year ago and I just fired the engine yesterday) Im pretty sure its cracked as I lose all of my fluid pretty quick

Is it possible that you reversed the supply and return hoses? I think that would cause a leak. On the new style boxes, it would be easy to make this mistake.

Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: tahoechallenge] #1868790
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Originally Posted By tahoechallenge
[quote=dangina]Not sure, but I think I have the old. (I bought it over a year ago and I just fired the engine yesterday) Im pretty sure its cracked as I lose all of my fluid pretty quick

Is it possible that you reversed the supply and return hoses? I think that would cause a leak. On the new style boxes, it would be easy to make this mistake.


This is a good question. For reference which fitting is which? Is the one closest to the engine the supply or return?

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Originally Posted By 68cuda440
Originally Posted By BigBlockMopar

With the sectorsupport, the original nut seems to be replaced with one where the bearing is mounted on.
I like to get this support kit as well for my box one day.


Yes, the nut is also the shaft that goes through the bearing, you do not use the nut that comes with the box. Before I put mine on the road I am going to trim it down some so it does not hang below the K-frame. In the following two pictures I added red dots on the nut below and above the bearing to help you see it.

thanks! This was most useful!

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My Firm Feel kit did not bolt to the K frame without binding the bearing,
I had to massage the mounting tabs a bit to accomplish keeping the bearing free.

This is probably the result of the loose QC of 45 year old cars, but keep that in mind when you tighten the two tabs.

Joe

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to avoid confusion (and I can't find anything on it) is the supply or return line the fitting closest to the engine?

Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: dangina] #1869969
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On the newer style box the supply is the port closest to the radiator. The return is closest to the firewall.

On the older style box (Delphi 600) the supply is the 14mm port. The return is the 16mm port.

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Engine side is return.


Mopar to the bone!!!
Re: Borgeson Steering Box Flex [Re: tahoechallenge] #1869987
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Originally Posted By tahoechallenge
On the newer style box the supply is the port closest to the radiator. The return is closest to the firewall.

On the older style box (Delphi 600) the supply is the 14mm port. The return is the 16mm port.


curious does anyone have a comparison pic of the old box vs the new? When did the new versions come out?

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Just a note on the simple reinforcement plate shown in an earlier post of mine;
Today I had a glance at it, and low and behold I noticed the top welds had worked themselves loose from the plate.
Now the plate was originally zinc-coated, so the welds probably hadn't penetrated enough, but stil goes to show there's a lot of movement down there.

I added new welds on the now fresh ground metal and also added another plate for more reinforcement.
I felt a difference in steering feel/tightness when taking the car for a spin afterwards.

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