Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
[Re: cjskotni]
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Got a temperature gun?
Put it on the starter, bet it is getting cooked. You will need to fix that and your mini starter will be fine.
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Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
[Re: cjskotni]
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05/25/15 04:53 PM
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I always use and OEM used JY starter and have never had issues. On my race car it always started right up and that had 35 degrees total on a home with a home recurved distributor and headers. Main thing is make sure that the fuel system is working right and that the fuel isn't boiling and flooding the engine after shut down. Try getting into the car and first thing is push the gas pedal right to the floor and hold it while starting. See if that helps. Don't pump it or try to start it before flooring it.
Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks.
But: Don't fix it, if it Works!
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Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
[Re: MoparforLife]
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Got a temperature gun?
Put it on the starter, bet it is getting cooked. You will need to fix that and your mini starter will be fine. Yeah I am guessing this is the issue. I added a starter blanket and it made no difference so I don't know what else to do besides replace the starter. FWIW, I pegged the starter with my IR gun in a few spot where I could ping it, and it ranged from 250-290*. Main thing is make sure that the fuel system is working right and that the fuel isn't boiling and flooding the engine after shut down. Try getting into the car and first thing is push the gas pedal right to the floor and hold it while starting. See if that helps. Don't pump it or try to start it before flooring it. I am pretty sure this isn't the issue. I don't have any evidence to support the motor flooding from boil over. My carb actually stays fairly cool but I am more than familiar with vapor lock issues as I chased them for two years before I think I got them conquered. If the motor was flooding, that wouldn't make it turn over slower...it would just be hard to start without the pedal to the floor? Is it possible that my parts store starter is just going a bit flakey on me? I have a life time warranty on it so technically it's free to swap but I don't want to go through the hassle of pulling it just to put in another one that will do the same thing...
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Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
[Re: cjskotni]
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05/25/15 10:15 PM
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Guys,
I have a small annoying issue where when I go to crank my Charger when it's good and hot, it is SLOW and usually I have to wait a couple of minutes after shutting it off to be able to turn it over fast enough for it to start.
When the engine is cold, the starter will spin it like a top and fire it right up....time after time. This only happens when the motor is full warmed up (after 15-20 minutes or more driving). I am 99.9% sure this is not electrical as all the wiring in the car (really everything) is less than 4-5 years old. I have a brand new battery and everything else electrical is perfect.
Right now I have the parts store mini-starter with a starter blanket. I tried the blanket but made no difference. I know I am going to be fighting an uphill battle here as I have 16* initial timing so that is fighting me a bit here. Is this just something I will have to live with or will one of the hi $$$ starters (eg. Powermaster) perform better when hot? I do have headers so I am sure they are baking the starter pretty good as well...
Any ideas on a starter that you have personal experience with being able to pull through in these types of conditions? The starter I have now works. I just hate having to let it sit for a few minutes to be able to crank it and it being so slow when it's hot.
Thanks, guys! I would replace/check the positive battery cable, maybe it's the neg cable too? I bet you the starter is fine, just is not getting enough voltage when it's hot. Had this problem years ago, the cable looked good, it wasn't. I'd use part store mini starters on both my cars, BB and SB for a 90 dakota. Lastly I run 20-22 degrees of timing at idle, both my cars turn over the same as cold when there hot and my 74 has the battery in the trunk. So I don't think timing is the issue, it's electrical I'm almost sure as in cable related. I get the amps checked when it's hot and turning over slow, or just replace the cables, cheaper and easier than a starter. I know you said they were new, don't make them good.
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Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
[Re: cjskotni]
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05/25/15 10:16 PM
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I use the "GOOD" factory type real Denso starters from the salvage yard or from Denso Direct. Mancini used to sell the genuine Denso starters. The timing isn't going to cause low cranking speed when hot, my base timing with 11 to 1 compression is 23 degrees and my 493 zings over like a 4 cylinder. Your battery cable or poor connections may be something to look at. Is your battery in the trunk? Gus 
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Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
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The timing isn't going to cause low cranking speed when hot I beg to differ my friend!
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Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
[Re: cjskotni]
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05/25/15 10:59 PM
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Take the bolts out of the starter rear plate,, turn it 180 degrees, put the long bolts back in.. Unless someone has done that before, it will fix your problem,, the rear bushing is worn,, turn it 180 it will be like new,, you don't even have to remove the starter..
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Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
[Re: mikemee1331]
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The timing isn't going to cause low cranking speed when hot I beg to differ my friend! Simple test, next time it is hot and cranking slow, pull the wire off the coil and see if the cranking speeds up. If it does., it's timing, if not it's heat soak.
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Re: Starter Upgrade to Get Rid of Slow Hot Starting?
[Re: mikemee1331]
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05/25/15 11:25 PM
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The timing isn't going to cause low cranking speed when hot I beg to differ my friend! Then your car must have the same starter/cable/battery/low AMP cutoff switch issues too  When my car is in the lanes when going rounds 90 degrees outside and engine coolant temp well over 200 it cranks with very little effort. I have to admit my car barely turns 2 revolutions before it lights off. What I'm saying is if all of the other components in the system are up to standards timing in this street car is not an issue  Gus
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