440 cam choice
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05/21/15 11:22 AM
05/21/15 11:22 AM
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I've got a freshly built 440 that I haven't put a lot of miles onto. wife, kids, business etc. the engine is going into my challenger. it came out of my 74 road runner. both cars are 4spd cars.
when I built the engine it was supposed to 10.5:1 compression, it does have edelbrock heads, m1 single plane and an 850 demon carb. I'm running a the mopar 296 mechanical cam and I'm running 1.6 ratio rockers. also I have 2" tti full length headers on the car. car will be switched over to efi sometime this summer.
I always thought that this car was soft on the low end in the road runner. I think I need to change the spring on the heads to better match the cam. I was debating about the putting the .528 mechanical cam since I have the engine out of the car.
I'd like this car to be in the low 12s upper 11s in street trim. based on the other post on the 340 challenger, getting a 440 challenger there should be easier.
thoughts on the cam swap? anything else I should change while I have the engine out? I'm debating about pulling a head and double checking the compression, since I think its lower than 10.5 I remember the cranking pressure being lower than I expected but don't remember what the numbers are.
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Re: 440 cam choice
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05/21/15 01:32 PM
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yes that's the right cam. I've got 3.91 gears in the challenger but ideally would like to run 3.55 gears. guessing the car is about 3750, haven't weight it yet, but it has a fiberglass ta hood. other than that its full steel, full interior,
yeah I guess that's the problem. the combo seems mismatched to me.
Last edited by Jerry; 05/21/15 01:33 PM.
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Re: 440 cam choice
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05/21/15 02:49 PM
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What rockers are you running in a 1.6 ratio? You are going to have to make a lot more bottom end power if you change to 3.55's. A change to an RPM manifold and the smallest Comp XEHL hydraulic grind (231/237 @.050), should put you right there with the 3.91's. Or, in a mechanical, the Comp XE274 would be a good choice, or possibly the XE282.
Mike Beachel
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Re: 440 cam choice
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05/21/15 06:27 PM
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It's not over cammed. You don't have enough gear. If you think 3.91's are not doable for you, you need to go WAY down on cam and cut the carb size down (leave the M1 on there and don't worry about the header...they OK too).
I use 4.56's every day on the street, with some freeway time. So to me, a 3.9X gear is not much and you want to drop to a 3.5X gear. Tha's damn near stock cam spec territory.
If it's not you DD, put some gear in it and let it be. IMO, a smaller cam and carb will NEVER move lard (weight) like gears will.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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