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System voltage problems #1826007
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My problems started on my 70 Cuda when the CD player/radio would power on and off as the engine RPM would change. I have measured the voltages at several locations. Battery voltage before starting is 12.8. Voltage at battery after starting, 15.45. Seems to be the same at the back of the alternator. The amp gauge acts normal, goes up about half way for a while, then backs off to just on the positive side after a couple minutes. Voltage regulator is known good and grounded. Battery known good. I may not have ever suspected any problems had I not had the issues with the radio... From what I have read, the voltage shouldn't be that high?? Anybody got any ideas?

Re: System voltage problems [Re: Fred_Gilmore] #1826046
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I ran into that same thing last weekend.
I installed a relay for sensing voltage to the vr and it is rock solid now at 14.6

I only saw about .2 difference between the battery and sensing line, but I guess that was enough to drive it towards 16 volts.

Re: System voltage problems [Re: Andrewh] #1826098
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Can you tell me what you used and where you got it? Which wire(s) on the regulator?

Re: System voltage problems [Re: Fred_Gilmore] #1826143
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Voltage at battery after starting, 15.45. From what I have read, the voltage shouldn't be that high??
Correct, way too high & that high will fry and or shorten the life of any electrical device that is "on". (1) undercharged batt (2) bad/sulfated batt (3) bad reg (4) "green wire" alt brush/green field wire back to reg dead shorted to ground


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Re: System voltage problems [Re: Fred_Gilmore] #1826144
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What about the engine block to firewall/frame ground?

This may help -


Re: System voltage problems [Re: Fred_Gilmore] #1826276
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I bought a 10 pack of them a while back on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-PACK-RELAY-HA...cc8&vxp=mtr

I ran new wire to the vr, and already had new wiring to the alt.

in your case, I would trace back the line to the ballast, clip it there. see the drawing above.
that way both the vr and the other field line get 12 volts.

I wired the switch portion to that line, so when it got power the relay closed.
power to the vr and alt came from the starter solinoid as it was pretty close to where I put the relay.
I grounded it to the vr/engine ground strap.

Re: System voltage problems [Re: Lefty] #1826456
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Problem solved! Thanks Lefty for making me take another look at grounding. I hooked up a different regulator without mounting it to the firewall and grounded it with a jumper to the engine. Worked. So now I'm thinking bad regulator again. Mounted it to the firewall and now it doesn't work again..... Even though it shows its grounded. So I put a jumper from the regulator to the engine block. Works again. Now I'm suspecting my brand new negative battery cable. Sure enough, the small wire moulded into the post lug has no connection! They must have thought they didn't need to remove the insulation when they stuck it in there.....probably made in China. Guess I better call Frank this time for one....

Re: System voltage problems [Re: Fred_Gilmore] #1826484
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Probably missing the ground wire from the back of the pass side head to the firewall.


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Originally Posted By Fred_Gilmore
Problem solved! Thanks Lefty for making me take another look at grounding. I hooked up a different regulator without mounting it to the firewall and grounded it with a jumper to the engine. Worked. So now I'm thinking bad regulator again. Mounted it to the firewall and now it doesn't work again..... Even though it shows its grounded. So I put a jumper from the regulator to the engine block. Works again. Now I'm suspecting my brand new negative battery cable. Sure enough, the small wire moulded into the post lug has no connection! They must have thought they didn't need to remove the insulation when they stuck it in there.....probably made in China. Guess I better call Frank this time for one....


I struggled with this on my 67 coronet.. Full resto, everything new and after a couple of years of driving something was not right..

Turned out to be a loose ( snug but not tight) connection on my starter relay at the firewall connection.. Tightened up the nut and presto.........

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Re: System voltage problems [Re: Supercuda] #1826693
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Probably missing the ground wire from the back of the pass side head to the firewall.


That ground was omitted in '70-on. They molded the ground into the negative cable that screwed into the radiator support near the battery.


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I had went through 2 bad reproduction battery cables before I got a good one........Mine was on the positive side but very frustrating.

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Originally Posted By 70440+6bbl
Originally Posted By Supercuda
Probably missing the ground wire from the back of the pass side head to the firewall.


That ground was omitted in '70-on. They molded the ground into the negative cable that screwed into the radiator support near the battery.


And later they added that ground back, must be a reason for that. Unless it's a perfect resto, I'd put a ground strap from the back of the head to the mounting bolt for the VR, then you know it's as good as it gets. I'd rather do that than scrape paint off the firewall for a good contact anyway. Heck I even added a ground from my alternator case to the block, but I don't do resto type vehicles.


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