Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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Do we know how much the seller is looking to get? http://fastlanecars.com/vehicles/264/1966-Dodge-D-Dart-Factory-Lightweight-Race-CarIf you are interested in it, make sure you have it checked out. Mainly the body numbers. The body number should be 6241771152 and that would be stamped on the top, driver side of the radiator support and on the driver side of the package shelf between the speaker hole and the back glass. On this car both should be visible. More then likely, the engine is not the original D/Dart engine. The second owner told me that the original engine was trash. I thought they might have put the engine from car #46 in it but I kind of doubt it. I could help you verify that. This is not my car and I do not work for Fast Lane -- but I am pretty knowledgeable on D/Darts. So if you have any question on this car or any other D/Dart, feel free to contact me. Dart4forte listed my email address in one of above posts. Alan Hvizdos
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Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
[Re: Mopar Mitch]
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05/13/15 02:47 PM
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It would be really cool, IMO, to be able to own and run a true vintage car in today's current historic road races... I often go to Road America to watch the cars race in their vintage wknds... its really cool.
Someone should buy this DDart and start racing it again... as it was intended from its original hey-day.
PS - I've been to FastLane Cars a few times (just north of St. Louis)...a really cool place with many high-quality cars for sale... and most at reasonable prices. Yes it is a shame that this car is in car dealer purgetory. However for the money they are looking for it will probably continue to languish on some car lot.
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Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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05/13/15 06:15 PM
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I think there's some racing history on the car. Alan may have some of that information.
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Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
[Re: ddartdude]
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05/14/15 11:31 AM
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DO you know what suspension book the b&w photo was in. I had the info somewhere and lost it.
Page 42 and 64 of "How to build the Ultimate Super Street MoPar" By Mike Martin. 1988 copyright date. Both pages show the same picture.
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Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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05/14/15 01:28 PM
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I'd be REALLY interested at 15-20k, because I could build a better one for cheaper that I wouldn't feel bad or afraid about shunting into a wall. I'd really only be paying that premium because of supposed pedigree. I don't think that is going to happen. I thought it was bought out of an auction (with another car/D-Dart?) for over that amount. And the buyer was immediately advertised the car for more to flip it. I think Dart4forte might remember the auction selling price and the asking prices of the various dealers that have advertised it since. One question about the pedigree... Did it run in a Trans Am race in 1966 OR just SCCA A-Sedan races in 1966? And do they allow A-Sedan cars in the vintage Trans Am races (I think so)?
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Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
[Re: autoxcuda]
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05/14/15 02:59 PM
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I'd be REALLY interested at 15-20k, because I could build a better one for cheaper that I wouldn't feel bad or afraid about shunting into a wall. I'd really only be paying that premium because of supposed pedigree. I don't think that is going to happen. I thought it was bought out of an auction (with another car/D-Dart?) for over that amount. And the buyer was immediately advertised the car for more to flip it. I think Dart4forte might remember the auction selling price and the asking prices of the various dealers that have advertised it since. One question about the pedigree... Did it run in a Trans Am race in 1966 OR just SCCA A-Sedan races in 1966? And do they allow A-Sedan cars in the vintage Trans Am races (I think so)? The dealer from Seattle that had the two cars wanted somewhere north of 40K for the white D/Dart (the one Alan use to own) and somewhere north of 60K for the race car. When he brought the two cars to the Seattle Mopar show several years ago I chatted with him about the cars. He really didn't have a clue on what the cars were other that they had a special vin. It was kinda cool to sit in them. The white D/Dart had been on the block several time back east. At one auction the bidding stalled at 40K and the owner walked away from the money. Bad move on his part. I think both cars made one more auction before heading out west. Not sure what the Seattle dealer got them for. Year before last Alan sent me an e-mail informing me that the cars were on the block again. I don't recall how much it went for. I seem to remember a 20K figure from the Mecum auction in Monterey but Alan will have to help me out there. As far as racing history I belive the car ran SCCA and Trans Am, mostly on the east coast. Again it's unfortunate that these cars just bounce around auction to auction. It would be nice to see someone get that car and actually use it in vintage racing. Here's something I found on the Dart. http://www.ultimateracinghistory.com/race.php?raceid=3798And some more results from 1966 http://www.ultimateracinghistory.com/racelist2.php?uniqid=426The one thing confusing is the car number. makes me wonder if there were two Darts
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Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
[Re: Supercuda]
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05/15/15 12:07 PM
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DO you know what suspension book the b&w photo was in. I had the info somewhere and lost it.
Page 42 and 64 of "How to build the Ultimate Super Street MoPar" By Mike Martin. 1988 copyright date. Both pages show the same picture. Thanks Supercuda. I think the other photo of the car, making the left turn, might be in another suspension book. Richard Ellis, car collector and auctioneer, owned both this car and my old white D/Dart at the same time. He sold them both as a package deal,(Mecum Auction -- Indianapolis, May 14-19, 2013 to Cats Exotics up in Lynnwood, WA. My old car went for $26K and the Trans Am car went for $40K. Cats took the Trans Am car to the Mecum Auction - Monterey, CA in Aug, 2014 then to the Motostalgia 2nd Annual Grand Prix Auction - Austin, TX in Nov 2014. Not sure if and when FastLane bought the car. FastLane has put it up on fleabag a couple of time. No real serious bids. On the other hand, my old D/Dart was sold at the BJ Scottsdale Auction, Jan 2014, for $44,000 to a guy from Texas. The Trans Am car was shipped from Hamtramck Assembly on May 1, 1966 to Ferris Miles, Inc - Redwood City, CA. So it would have been track ready around the end of May. The car was raced on the west coast.
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Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
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05/15/15 08:50 PM
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Re: D-Dart Road Racer for sale
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05/18/15 04:03 PM
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Cool videos!!! and historic pics...!
I know of an all original ~64-5-6 B'Cuda Formula S 273-4spd sitting for sale... guy wants a lot (~$10K... rusty but straight).
the early A-body offers so much potential being light and narrow.!!!
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Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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