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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1841863
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I had an eventful day, here's the good

-power steering system is done
-wiring is cleaned up
-I regained power inside the cab
-most systems are wired

The stuff that didn't work well-

-my starter is freewheeling. I don't know if the solenoid isn't pushing forward or if something is weird with my bellhousing. I'm using a Lakewood bell with a 10.5 mopar flywheel. The starter is new, but sat in the garage for a few years and is unused. It's not engaging the flywheel. Is there anything special about using this sb bell with a 10.5 setup? I thought that maybe the starter would need to be moved in to touch the smaller flywheel. Is it possible that the solenoid would cease to push forward ?

-I couldn't get my ms3 box to talk to the computer. I've got a bit of trouble shooting to do with that.

I need to do the following by Saturday to get it fired:

-make starter work (will pull tomorrow)
-install new fuel tank and pump.
-make the Laptop talk to the ms3 box.

I can Fire it with open headers at that point. Let's see how tomorrow treats me!


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1841889
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Hopefully there will be a open header video!

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1841891
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Isnt there 2 starter bolt patterns on those bells for different flywheels? I know mine only has one but it also mandates a 10.5" flywheel. You need to do DIY and get the right installer for your computer to open Tuner Studio.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: 72d100] #1842792
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Originally Posted By 72d100
Hopefully there will be a open header video!


I second that notion!

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: 72d100] #1843201
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Originally Posted By 72d100
Hopefully there will be a open header video!


I think a couple of those were made today. wink


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1843291
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She sounds great, alex!


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1843469
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http://youtu.be/dQwK7_AoI_8

I'll type more when I have time, but right now I just have to say that none of this would have been possible with out Mike, Wade and Brian.

And double props for mike driving down 8 hours to help...without his wiring prowess I don't know where I would be.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1843505
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Originally Posted By AlexP
http://youtu.be/dQwK7_AoI_8

I'll type more when I have time, but right now I just have to say that none of this would have been possible with out Mike, Wade and Brian.

And double props for mike driving down 8 hours to help...without his wiring prowess I don't know where I would be.



No problem, glad to help!


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1843933
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Mike, Wade and Brian came over to my parents place this Saturday to help get the car running.

Here is the rundown of events that led up to the car running...

My car wasn't wired for a starter relay and didn't have one. After a few days of wondering why it wouldn't engage the starter relay...I then came to the conclusion that it's a GM wiring harness and thats why my ignition switch didn't have the power to push out the solenoid and turn it over at the same time. Big DUH moment for me, but Mr. HandyGoody wired a new one in for me on Saturday...that's what I was lacking. Felt good to add another mopar style part to this car lol.

I had laptop issues...it wouldn't talk to my EFI box. I had to reinstall the driver for the usb cable as "administrator" to get it to talk. It worked easily after that little bit of advice from Wade.




I also figured out that this harness picks up power from the harness, so I wired my harness back to the starter with a 60a maxi fuse (was omitted before) and it came to life. I regained power to the cabin and lots of my accessories. That was one of the best moments in the last five years, I was very happy to see it start feeling like a car again.



Once I had power back to the car, I was able to focus on the fuel system. I mocked up the new tanks inc system with the 460LPH e85 pump and sending unit. I cut the module down a bunch. I've only got about 6.75" of depth in this pump, so the entire module with sock is about 6 5/8" from bottom of the plate to the sock.



This is one super quiet pump! You won't be able to hear it even with the car off unless you really listen. The sound of the fuel dumping and returning is almost louder.

The first time I installed it for mockup, I pushed too hard and frayed the ground wire against the side of the tank. My mistake...if you use a pump like mine...be very careful!

I tidied up the the module with some zip ties, and I was able to get it in with out catching anything but the nylon return tube. It went in much easier once I cleaned it up.



The sending unit took some thinking and careful reading of the instructions, but nothing that going over it all a few times couldn't fix. It's very universal...but thats a good thing for me. No pics of that frown Just read the graph.

While were on the topic of fuel...I had originally intended to reuse the tank that I bought when I replaced the fuel system in 2008 ish. That didn't work out like I planned, here is what was waiting for me after being sealed for that whole time.



It would have caused me immense problems, I'm really surpised a tank that was not even that old could get that back. Makes me think that a gas tank should just be replaced periodically.


Here is the old girl before she came back to life.




We worked Saturday to get the car ready for start up. That involved isntalling the fuel system, pressure testing the fuel system. A few leaks popped up, but were fixed with some quick thinking by wade.

We then worked on getting the oil system primed. I made two huge rookie mistakes. One was that I didn't pre-fill the oil filter and the other was that I didn't check all the block plugs to make sure they were in. We hooked up a simple mechanical oil pressure gauge and I'm glad we did. I forgot a plug in the front of the block that is mostly concealed....that would have made a huge mess...wade gets props for catching that mistake.

After we realized that pressure wasn't building, we figured that the gerotor pump was not happy pumping air. Brians idea of turning it over with the oil filter off the motor meant it dripped a bit of oil, but the air bubble was gone. After a few more revolutions we had 50 psi at the mechanical gauge and we were ready to fire.

We popped the fuses back in for the coils and fuel pump, and then we crossed our fingers and toes.

I kid you not, the first try is all it took. Within three revolutions it fired under its own power with Brian running the throttle. It idled high, but we were expecting it to be off on the first try. He was able to get it down to 800 rpm and we ran it for a few minutes. Cooled off and restarted with ease. We didn't run it for long with the open headers and a radiator hose I don't trust.

It went down to 800rpm and a 14.5:1 AF ratio even with the headers. With my PS hose fittings leaking and a few mins of runtime on her...we called it quits. I didn't want a smoke show and just those few minutes showed me all of the areas of concern that need to be addressed before I start it again.

Fuel system needs a slight re-do on lines.
PS fittings on the AQP high pressure stuff need work. I didn't do them right.
Radiator hoses need a more attention, no leaks yet...but my multipiece solution looks bad.
I need to get the exhaust hooked back up.
Driveshaft needs to go back on the car before the other 2 quarts of gear oil make for an even worse day.
I need a throttle cable.

Once I fix all these issues, I'll start it back up and move it around for some clean up on the idle tune and it's manners. Once safe tune is in it, I'll start worry about driving it and tuning for power.

Mike at EFI source supplies a killer start up tune that worked flawlessly. I really owe him for the awesome product.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1844240
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To add to this:

We changed the required fuel settings in megasquirt to account for the 55 lb injectors alex is running. Also, I was standing at the laptop ready to hit the 'auto tune' button, but we never needed it. The tune was fine- 13.5-14.5 the whole time.

Great job, Alex


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1844376
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Quote:
I tidied up the the module with some zip ties


Are they resistant to fuel since they will be submerged it looks like?

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1844411
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They are what the they included with the kit, so I assume so.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1844420
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No problem, just wondering out loud. biggrin

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1844431
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I'm going to pull the tank periodically from now on, I'll add it to yearly maintenance.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1844449
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Originally Posted By AlexP
I'm going to pull the tank periodically from now on, I'll add it to yearly maintenance.



Just keep in mind how many tries it takes to get it back in there. work drumhit


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1844556
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Lol mike


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I'm still shaky from having a running car.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1870084
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So, I had it running and then I went away for three weeks on another trip for work.

I'll be catching up in time for me to go out for another month to Wyoming...

Such is the life.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1876327
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I received Wade's Viper caliper and knuckle today. I should have a set of caliper brackets for you before too much time passes.

Those Viper calipers are just the cutest little things!

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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1876401
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I want more rotor offset, been tempted to try some Wilwoods but it would be a $500+ "trial".


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