Greasing 8 3/4 bearings
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I bought an 8 3/4 741 case 3.55 gears non sure grip to replace the burned up 9 1/4 in my 91 power ram 150 truck. I removed the axles and the third member and cleaned the housing real good and installed new inner wheel seals. The wheel bearings are still in good condition so I figured I would re-use them. But I want to grease them up before I put the axles back inn. How do I do it with the bearings still installed on the axle shaft? Do I need a special grease tip? Then do I just squirt grease in between the rollers?
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Re: Greasing 8 3/4 bearings
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04/09/15 12:01 AM
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Using RTV you want it more on the inside of the stud "circle" on a rear end housing but you will be fine & the right stuff sets up very fast. I sure hope that pig ain't coming out soon!. that needle that snaps on the end of your grease gun as said works perfect for tapered bearings already installed on a shaft.
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Re: Greasing 8 3/4 bearings
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04/09/15 04:21 PM
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It's not going to leak. My Suburban is more than 10 years from me checking inside and then using TRS for the gasket. Nary a drip. That's what factories use to make differential gaskets now. In other words, they don't use a gasket, they use The Right Stuff.
BUT, it would have helped you to read the directions. I'm sure it says somewhere to use a thin layer. A heavy bead is not going to make the seal more secure, just give you more to clean up.
As for the material squeezing into the inside of the rear end, I imagine it would, but after 10 minutes of driving it has been blended into the lube and I doubt it's doing any harm.
The Right Stuff cures instantly upon being deprived of air, like when two surfaces are clamped together. I have literally installed something using it, put the tools away, topped off the liquids and driven 600 miles. Nary a drop of leakage.
So it's different from the typical silicone, which cures at room temperature by grabbing water out of the air.
Every time the topic comes up, there are posts saying it sticks the two parts together better than JB Weld. I haven't had that experience. I generally use a thin putty knife to separate.
But follow the directions when you put things together. Manufacturers go to great lengths to find out and communicate the best way to use their product.
I am convinced that more gaskets are installed wrong than right. We always think we know more than the people who design, build and sell the stuff for a living. That's known as hubris, which leads to a fall.
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Re: Greasing 8 3/4 bearings
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The alternative is sitting there for 30 minutes pressing grease into the bearings by hand, moving the bearings around, and manipulating it enough to work the grease into everywhere. But us old guys have plenty of time to do it this way...
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Re: Greasing 8 3/4 bearings
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04/09/15 06:49 PM
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So it's different from the typical silicone, which cures at room temperature by grabbing water out of the air.
Every time the topic comes up, there are posts saying it sticks the two parts together better than JB Weld.
I am convinced that more gaskets are installed wrong than right. We always think we know more than the people who design, build and sell the stuff for a living. That's known as hubris, which leads to a fall.
R.
(1) I learned sumpin today (2) he wont be smilin when (if) he has to clean TRS in/around all those studs (3) Hubris, Dog I will look that up. I agree, like the one guys' sig says; "common sense, the least common of all the senses"!
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Re: Greasing 8 3/4 bearings
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I did read the directions on the can of the right stuff gasket maker, this wasn't my first time using the right stuff gasket maker, I've used it for years, used it on all my differential covers, I use in place of the end gaskets on my intake manifold, I've used it on valve covers before too. It says to cut the tab to whatever size you want the bead to be, I didn't lay a ridiculous amount of it on, but I did lay a thick bead and went around each stud with it. I don't think it will leak ether because I've always had pretty good luck with it, the only times I have had leaks when using this stuff was when I didn't put a thick enough bead down. I bought the grease needles for the bearings from Napa today, the part number is 700-1193 and they are called grease injector needles in case someone else is doing this too and needs the needles. They are really thin and look like they will work great.
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Re: Greasing 8 3/4 bearings
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I have a really quick question: Once the rear axle is in and the level of oil is correct, why do you need to grease the bearings? They are sitting in a layer of oil. In big trucks the front axle is typically oil bath and they go 4-500,000 miles if needed. I could see if wiping the bearing with grease before install so you don't go dry. I am not knocking your info, I just don't understand why.
Also, Napa and Advance Auto sell a gasket for the rear center chuck. No rtv, no waiting for dry or goop mushing out. Again... not debating your reasons, I just do not like silicon especially with oil submersion. I have not has good luck with it as a full on gasket. I did however have a lot of luck with an anaerobic sealer.
Good luck. Joe The wheel bearings on the 8 3/4 are not lubed by the gear oil, that's why I greased them. If you look inside an 8 3/4 there is an oil seal in the housing on each side which is called the inner wheel seal, it keeps the gear oil from the bearings. So you have to grease the wheel bearings before installation. And Im aware of the gasket for the 8 3/4 third member, my local part store didn't have it in stock and instead of ordering one and waiting on it I decided to use the right stuff gasket maker, which in my opinion works better then a paper gasket anyways.
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Re: Greasing 8 3/4 bearings
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04/13/15 11:41 PM
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I FAR prefer the felpro fiber? gasket myself. I spray it with oil so it will not stick so if I have to change a pig it'll come right off. The mating surfaces are wide & I've had good luck with them sealing with this if the surfaces are squeaky clean. RTV/TRS will definitely seal but getting it off in/around the studs to R&R a pig is something I do not want to do. As said you grease the bearings with quality grease (I prefer Kendall "blue" or MP "green" but there's many good types out there and the gear lube is for the ring and pinion in the center & some sloshes into the tubes but the seals keep it from reaching the bearings/or further out which you dont want (it's not a good lube for bearings/& it will contaminate brake linings).
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