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Holley or Edelbrock ?? #1782997 03/18/15 07:51 PM 03/18/15 07:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,014 LEE, MASS T TOMRR OP super stock
TOMRR OP super stock T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,014 LEE, MASS	My Engine builder is steering me toward using an Holly over the Edelbrock Carb. I have a 1972 HP440 and having it brought up to 1969 HP 440 Horse power and Torque !! I like the Edelbrock and have run a 750 Performer on this engine in the past. The only thing I know about Hollies that they are not dependable and leak a lot or has that changed ?? Would like some input on this Thanks Tom C.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1782998 03/18/15 08:06 PM 03/18/15 08:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 518 Georgia S Steve Bryant mopar
Steve Bryant mopar S Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 518 Georgia	You really opened a can of worms on this one. I did extensive testing with the 440 and the Edelbrock 750 (1411) and tuned it to work pretty well but not perfect. Google "edelbrock 750 stumble 440" and you will find an epidemic of problems. I was able to get my 1411 to work with alot of tuning, an A/F gauge and jets, springs and pump changes. I ended up installing a 1413 (800) and am very happy with it. Many others have abandoned Edelbrock and moved to the Demon or Holley and are also happy. I think you are fine with Edelbrock but DON't try the 1411.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1782999 03/18/15 08:09 PM 03/18/15 08:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,356 Kentucky D dfsmopars top fuel
dfsmopars top fuel D Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,356 Kentucky	I have had great success with both. Holley for performance and Edlebrock for no worries. My opinion, and it has worked for me. If I had the linkage already for the Eddy and liked the way it worked in the past I'd go with it. ‘72 Charger, 5.9 Magnum, Tremec 5 spd., Pro-Touring ‘14 Big Horn, Quad Cab, 4x4, 1500

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1783000 03/18/15 08:15 PM 03/18/15 08:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,078 Irving, TX feets Senior Management
feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,078 Irving, TX	For a street engine I really prefer the Edelbrock/Carter carbs. I've had better long term drivability out of them. There were many times that we tuned a Holley to be a slightly stronger performer but went back to the Eddy for better manners. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: feets] #1783001 03/18/15 09:21 PM 03/18/15 09:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Buy a new carb. Nothing puts the damper on a fun rebuild like a balky carburetor. 750 Street Demon will work well and fits without adapters on square or spread bore intakes. R.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: dogdays] #1783002 03/18/15 09:52 PM 03/18/15 09:52 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,916 usa L lewtot184 master
lewtot184 master L Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,916 usa	i use a factory 4618 avs on my 69 r/t. i did some tweaking on it and it starts, runs, and drives beautiful. i think the biggest problem with the carters is most people don't have a clue on how to tune them. they are far more reliable than a holley, will make just as much power as holley with all things equal, but do tune differently.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1783003 03/18/15 10:00 PM 03/18/15 10:00 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 - R RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer
RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer R Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 -	Quote: Would like some input on this Seek out Bob K... Driver of the Hemi 'Cuda at the Pure Stock Drags... He might have some input...

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: RSNOMO] #1783004 03/18/15 10:05 PM 03/18/15 10:05 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,715 Wichita G GY3 master
GY3 master G Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,715 Wichita	Street Demon! Manners and power.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: GY3] #1783005 03/18/15 10:44 PM 03/18/15 10:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn. Q quickd100 master
quickd100 master Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn.	If it's primarily a street car that sits for long periods go with an Edelbrock. Once tuned for the motor they are pretty much bullet proof. Extended periods of storage and the Holley will leak like a sieve.Dave

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1783006 03/19/15 12:08 AM 03/19/15 12:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,327 Benton, IL. D DaveRS23 Special needs idiot
DaveRS23 Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,327 Benton, IL.	Another vote for the new Street Demon. The CarterBrocks are okay, but they use 50 year old tunes that just do not seem to have been updated. Holleys can do okay with some tuning. Google the Street Demon and you will see that they have incorporated several cool features that help the carb do a better job on street cars. Master, again and still

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1783007 03/19/15 01:12 AM 03/19/15 01:12 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: . I have a 1972 HP440 and having it brought up to 1969 HP 440 Horse power and Torque !! I like the Edelbrock and have run a 750 Performer on this engine in the past. How did it do then? Still have it? live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: RapidRobert] #1783008 03/19/15 02:20 AM 03/19/15 02:20 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	Can only speak from my own experience: I'll never own another Edelbrock Performer Carb. I had (2) 1411 750's. One vaporlocked as soon as the motor was warm. Both had an off-idle stumble that I couldn't get rid of (and I tried until I was frustrated). With this motor, I moved to a Holley 750, and instantly the car ran perfectly. Since then I've always gone the Holley direction, and I've always been able to make them respond to simple adjustments. Currently running an 830 DP on my 451. If i had to own an Eddy carb, I'd go to the AVS series. LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: StealthWedge67] #1783009 03/19/15 08:38 AM 03/19/15 08:38 AM
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65rbdodge master 6 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,920 n.e. pa.	My experience- I have a 950hp Holley on a 440 and a 750 street hp holley on a 400. Both were bought new and have been on my cars for 10 or more years. My cars do sit for long periods. I have not had a single problem with either of them.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: StealthWedge67] #1783010 03/19/15 09:16 AM 03/19/15 09:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,912 Athens, Greece Pyper70 master
Pyper70 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,912 Athens, Greece	It's simple as this If you are a weekend warrior looking to tune every single aspect of a carburetor and get maximum performance for hours and hours of trial and execution... Holley If you like to set it up once and have it remain like that forever...get in your car...turn the key and leave the scene... Edelbrock I have owned both...I had an 800cfm Holley on a 440 and it was professionally rebuilt. I even had the guy come out and dial it in to my Charger. It never ran right...I wanted to go to a car show so I took the 500cfm off my Slant 6 (modified) and my 440 worked BETTER with a 500cfm....well thats when I sold all my Holleys....Does the Holley work when you tear it apart and change the cam, the power valve, the jets, the balancing tube...YES!!! but I like to get in my car and drive it more than fix it BTW, I run Two Eddy's 500cfm on my engine and I haven't had a single leak, stumble, or need to remove them from my engine in 5 years Last edited by Pyper70; 03/19/15 09:19 AM. Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1783011 03/19/15 09:34 AM 03/19/15 09:34 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 549 WV J JohnH mopar
JohnH mopar J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 549 WV	I restored a 69 B Body with a 440.. I put a new Holley on it,, brand new,, It was nothing but junk!! I replaced it with a Edelbrock,, runs like a dream..

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: RapidRobert] #1783012 03/19/15 09:34 AM 03/19/15 09:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,014 LEE, MASS T TOMRR OP super stock
TOMRR OP super stock T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,014 LEE, MASS	When I had the 750 Edelbrock on this 440 it ran great no issues .I do no know way my engine builder wants to use a Holly ? But I am looking at The Edelbrock EDE-1412 800 cfm Recommended for High-Performance street and light strip. Mind will only be driven on the street Thanks For All The InPut !!! Tom C.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1783013 03/19/15 09:46 AM 03/19/15 09:46 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT gdonovan I Live Here
gdonovan I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: When I had the 750 Edelbrock on this 440 it ran great no issues .I do no know way my engine builder wants to use a Holly ? But I am looking at The Edelbrock EDE-1412 800 cfm Recommended for High-Performance street and light strip. Mind will only be driven on the street Thanks For All The InPut !!! Tom C. I'm a long time Carter fan Tom but the new Street Demon by Holley which is basically a Carter Thermquad has a lot going for it. If I had to buy a new carb today my choices would be the 750 cfm Street Demon or Edelbrock 800 CFM AVS. Cheers! "I think its got a hemi"

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: gdonovan] #1783014 03/19/15 10:14 AM 03/19/15 10:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,014 LEE, MASS T TOMRR OP super stock
TOMRR OP super stock T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,014 LEE, MASS	Edelbrock #1812 Thunder Series AVS Carburetor, 800 cfm I this the one you are talking about ??

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1783015 03/19/15 10:22 AM 03/19/15 10:22 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT gdonovan I Live Here
gdonovan I Live Here Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,847 Oakdale CT	Quote: Edelbrock #1812 Thunder Series AVS Carburetor, 800 cfm I this the one you are talking about ?? Yes. An AVS is an AFB on the primary side but on the secondary side they used a tensioned air door in place of the AFB weighted flapper setup. The spring loaded door is the same as a Thermoquad and very adjustable. The AFB "flapper" can be tuned but its a complicated dance between the weights and airbleed sizes on the secondary boosters which most folks are not familiar with. On the AVS it is as simple as increasing or decreasing the spring tension. I really would give the Street Demon the nod if starting from scratch since Holley spent a lot of time getting it right unless you need the 50 extra CFM. Dyno reports utilizing the carb have given it high praise for drivabilty and fuel mixture. "I think its got a hemi"

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: gdonovan] #1783016 03/19/15 07:24 PM 03/19/15 07:24 PM
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GTSDart340 pro stock Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,306 Laveen, Arizona	I had the typical Holley. Leaked from the accelerator pump. Leaked from both ends of the fuel transfer tube. Leaked from the side of the rear float bowl. Leaked from the bottom of the float bowl. Needle and seat stuck, sprayed fuel out the float bowl vent... Finally got to the point that the truck wouldn't start (318 x2). Edelbrock, no issues. I have a 1406, its been on two 318s and a 360. Runs great, no problems. 1949 International KB-2 "Mater" - 302/T5 1968 Dodge Dart GTS "The Drat" - 340/727 2006 Dodge Magnum R/T - Hemi 2016 Dodge Durango Limited - 3.6

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: Steve Bryant] #1783017 03/19/15 08:56 PM 03/19/15 08:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,815 Sobieski Wi B bee1971 master
bee1971 master B Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,815 Sobieski Wi	Quote: You really opened a can of worms on this one. I did extensive testing with the 440 and the Edelbrock 750 (1411) and tuned it to work pretty well but not perfect. Google "edelbrock 750 stumble 440" and you will find an epidemic of problems. I was able to get my 1411 to work with alot of tuning, an A/F gauge and jets, springs and pump changes. I ended up installing a 1413 (800) and am very happy with it. Many others have abandoned Edelbrock and moved to the Demon or Holley and are also happy. I think you are fine with Edelbrock but DON't try the 1411. Or 1407 I got flamed by a few on your thread if I remember , and all you did was reassure what I already knew - Was a great thread from what I remember , along with the other 100 threads on the same subject - 1411/1407 JUNK Anyways With the availability now of the 800 series carbs from Edelbrock , bigger question would bee , why would anyone even waste their time time time more time or money running the 1411/1407 series ??? Edelbrock 800 Series Are 1,000 Times Better And I Have Nothing Against Holley 1971 Dodge Charger Superbee 2011 Ram Sport 1500 Quad Cab Deep Water Blue Loaded Siberian Huskies

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: bee1971] #1783018 03/19/15 09:56 PM 03/19/15 09:56 PM
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135sohc mopar 1 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 637 SoMd, USA	Did the Edelbrock AVS on my B-van, straight out of the box and adjusted the idle/mixture. No doubt I could tweak it and probably gain back the 1-2 mpg I lost going from the craptastic BBD that was on there but for the weekend toy/occasional driver that sits most of the time I am more than satisfied with it;

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: 135sohc] #1783019 03/19/15 10:11 PM 03/19/15 10:11 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,506 Northern Pa G GLR master
GLR master G Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,506 Northern Pa	I put on two 500 CFM Edelbrock carbs on my wifes 72 Charger 18 years agao because she wanted a dual quad set up. Once I got them calibrated I never had to touch them except for a couple years ago I put new carb kits in them because of the gas we have to run today. Very happy with them. 8465361-Sherrys72Chargerenginerightside.JPG (49 downloads)

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: GLR] #1783020 03/19/15 10:46 PM 03/19/15 10:46 PM
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dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,896 MI, usa	I've run both with good results. My race car runs Eddy 1407 (supposed junk) 750's. I removed the chokes, went up one step with jets and installed the proper step up springs. Car has been 9.12@147.7, 3340lbs. I also saw a Hemi Road Runner last fall run 8.60 with 2 1407's as well. Both cars are on motor only. Doug

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: bee1971] #1783021 03/19/15 11:00 PM 03/19/15 11:00 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 549 WV J JohnH mopar
JohnH mopar J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 549 WV	I agree 100%

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: JohnH] #1783022 03/19/15 11:02 PM 03/19/15 11:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 549 WV J JohnH mopar
JohnH mopar J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 549 WV	Quote: I agree 100% Eddy

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: JohnH] #1783023 03/19/15 11:17 PM 03/19/15 11:17 PM
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Mattax top fuel Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,645 Phila. Pa.	A couple of fixes midpage here for Eddy '750' clones. http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=37263 Extend boosters and copy ma mopar's calibration not for the timid novice, but not that hard for anyone whose done this type of work.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: Mattax] #1783024 03/20/15 01:43 AM 03/20/15 01:43 AM
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383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Either can and will work good. If you ask this question 100 times you may get 50 different answers. And the answer is both can work fine. Some just prefer one over the other from things they have had happen on carbs they use. I have had good luck with both and if you know how carbs work and understand them you can tune either to work for you. I myself like to use Holley's on most of my cars but most of mine are my hotrod muscle cars and I like working and using the Holley. But I have worked with and used the Eddy and Carter carbs and had them work very good. Just ask all of the guys running stock eliminator with Max Wedge and street Hemi's how they like the Eddy and Carter carbs. Here is my advice which is first a question. And that is how good are you with carbs ? No offense meant but I am guessing you dont know carbs to good or you would not be on here asking this question ? So my advice is find someone you know in your area who is very good with carbs and ask them which they prefer and ask them if they will work with you on this to install and tune which carb you use unless you can do it yourself. Then you will have the advice of someone you trust who we hope knows what they are doing and they will get which ever carb they use on your car running great. Because as I said either one can work fine for you as long as a good carb person sets the carb up right for your combo. Good luck , Ron

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: GY3] #1783025 03/20/15 02:48 AM 03/20/15 02:48 AM
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jaque pro stock Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,396 chicago,il	Quote: Street Demon! Manners and power. , never ever a problem... you come here with nothing and leave here with nothing!! enjoy life while on this planet, cuz when youre dead youre dead!!!

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: dvw] #1783026 03/20/15 09:17 AM 03/20/15 09:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 338 Montreal Quebec STROKIE enthusiast
STROKIE enthusiast Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 338 Montreal Quebec	Quote: I've run both with good results. My race car runs Eddy 1407 (supposed junk) 750's. I removed the chokes, went up one step with jets and installed the proper step up springs. Car has been [Email]9.12@147.7[/Email], 3340lbs. I also saw a Hemi Road Runner last fall run 8.60 with 2 1407's as well. Both cars are on motor only. Doug I run Eddy 1407, (supposed junk) 750's. I removed too the choke, never had problems with this carb... 8465719-aircleaner003.JPG (72 downloads)

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: STROKIE] #1783027 03/20/15 12:12 PM 03/20/15 12:12 PM
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lewtot184 master L Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,916 usa	it's nice to be able to tinker with something without spilling gas everywhere or having to take the carbs off. 8465796-100_0372.jpg (88 downloads)

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: 383man] #1783028 03/20/15 03:15 PM 03/20/15 03:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,014 LEE, MASS T TOMRR OP super stock
TOMRR OP super stock T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,014 LEE, MASS	(No offense !!!) Non Taken, Your Right I just want some thing simple and drivable And thanks to all for the Replies .I have a lot to think about for sure !! Tom C.

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: TOMRR] #1783029 03/20/15 11:05 PM 03/20/15 11:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	I use and have luck with both. I have a few favorites like the 800 AVS and the 3310 Holley, they are both pretty easy to figure out and very streetable. Sheldon

Re: Holley or Edelbrock ?? [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1783030 03/21/15 05:00 PM 03/21/15 05:00 PM
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d-150 Smarter than a 5th grader? D Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,090 st.cloud fl	i like the 800 avs and the 850 double pumper

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