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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Dragula] #1782360
03/18/15 01:18 PM
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Just look up slew rate and index racing....

[url=http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-autumn/dead-on-why-is-bracket-racing-the-only-form-of-racing-without-rules?fb_action_ids=743961339005287&fb_action_types=og.comments&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B274256132698516%5D&action_type_map=%5B"og.comments"%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D]http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-au..._ref_map=%5B%5D[/url]


thats all opinion and speculation. the technology has been there for many years. I am sure there are a few low lifes that would still cheat to win. and there are rules preventing it in bracket racing just not policed.




Either you didn't read the article, or nobody is using it then....


I read a guys opinion on what he thinks, nothing more

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Quicktree] #1782361
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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rbkt65] #1782362
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not cheating sir no offence taken starting 2nd go round at gateway motorsports park and used to have homemade checker and lost it. there is a post on crossbones motorsports that is 18 pages long about buttons and cheaters and boxes. trying to smarten up thanks for all posts rick




Meaning you'll be teching cars again?


Yeah, it's got a smallblock.
Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: 340B5] #1782363
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yes sir I had fun last time but head guy made a lot of us mad so I didn't go back I enjoy being around the people and cars don't know how I will do for a 64 year old man but going to try to have fun. they are going to run my wagon on 28th I think if weather ok will be strange seeing my car going down track without me in it. but....

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rbkt65] #1782364
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NO BOX SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RUN A TRANSBRAKE PERIOD.....HAS RUINED THE CLASS

Rickster

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rickstershemi] #1782365
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I would tend to agree. But, you can tell the electronics to start timing on the release of the footbrake. All you have to do is remove 12 volts from the input. Knows guy who did this for a local racer. I don't agree with cheating.


Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rickstershemi] #1782366
03/18/15 11:00 PM
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NO BOX SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RUN A TRANSBRAKE PERIOD.....HAS RUINED THE CLASS

Rickster




At my closest track they run transbrakes and air/electric shifters in no box. Hardly any foot brake classes around here anymore.

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Leon441] #1782367
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I would tend to agree. But, you can tell the electronics to start timing on the release of the footbrake. All you have to do is remove 12 volts from the input. Knows guy who did this for a local racer. I don't agree with cheating.




That would still involve a T-Brake and I said NO T-Brakes.....kinda hard to hide a trans-brake

Rickster

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rickstershemi] #1782368
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I have no fear of running against trans brakes while foot braking. However a really good driver with a trans brake is tough. But a trans brake doesn't make everyone a hero. I also agree no electronics should be no electronics, period.
Doug

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: dvw] #1782369
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I have no fear of running against trans brakes while foot braking. However a really good driver with a trans brake is tough. But a trans brake doesn't make everyone a hero. I also agree no electronics should be no electronics, period.
Doug




But in this division the trans brake is legal in
the no E class... I put it in because its legal
EDIT
I didnt put it in the Rampage because its not legal
in DD on DW... if I just wanted to race it here in
div 3 I would have put it in but I built it for DW

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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1782370
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I run a 4 speed. What is this strange language of t-brake and delay box and cheating that is being spoken of?


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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: sgcuda] #1782371
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If people want to cheat they will. proven fact all you can do is look for little hints. I footbrake and I could careless if the guy next to me has a T-brake. I run Box class sometimes to footbraking.


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67 Satellite NSS/E
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'07, '10, '12 Mopar Nats runner-up Street.
Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: justinp61] #1782372
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NO BOX SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RUN A TRANSBRAKE PERIOD.....HAS RUINED THE CLASS

Rickster




At my closest track they run transbrakes and air/electric shifters in no box. Hardly any foot brake classes around here anymore.




I see that more and more these days...Most tracks allow them in no box...I have TB and as stated its only used to back the car up. I have tried it a couple of times, but preferred foot braking...

What I found was just the preloading of the suspension on the foot brake as I lightly staged the car, and then released the foot brake when the TB was pressed allowed the car to move enough to make it impossible to repeat. The stock front suspension with all of its +30 years of abuse and old rubbery joints is not repeatable enough in a relaxed state. Even creeping in at an idle was enough to change RT....Since I put the new front suspension in, I have not tried it...But any play when taking your foot off the brakes and transitioning to TB that might allow the car to move a little is just not repeatable.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: kissmyaspen] #1782373
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If people want to cheat they will. proven fact all you can do is look for little hints. I footbrake and I could careless if the guy next to me has a T-brake. I run Box class sometimes to footbraking.


This right here^^^^^^^^^ Run your own car, take care of your own business and stop worrying about what everybody else is doing and you will likely win more.

Monte

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Monte_Smith] #1782374
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I agree, YOU control who wins the race in bracket racing! The person can only make it harder or easier for you to win, he has no control of what you do. Cut a perfect light and run the number,you win,period. Worrying what the other guy is doing looses more races because he gets in your head. What's in the other lane can be dogs,tigers, trees or houses, in fact nothing need be there since you are running on time only with your package. He can have all the tricks but they don't work unless YOU let them.

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: cudaman1969] #1782375
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I agree, YOU control who wins the race in bracket racing! The person can only make it harder or easier for you to win, he has no control of what you do. Cut a perfect light and run the number,you win,period. Worrying what the other guy is doing looses more races because he gets in your head. What's in the other lane can be dogs,tigers, trees or houses, in fact nothing need be there since you are running on time only with your package. He can have all the tricks but they don't work unless YOU let them.




Your almost right... when my brother and I were racing
a guy(now a top fuel driver.. was a pro stock driver)
we had some very good packages but he always had a
better one... then we learned about a thing called
a Matty box... enough said

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1782376
03/19/15 05:54 PM
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I was wondering how long it was going to take for the Dirty Dozen to come up. They did get banded from IHRA and Norwalk except for the divisional and national event. But they did not find what they really did.


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12.265 at 109.75 MPH

67 Satellite NSS/E
11.83 @ 110

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'07, '10, '12 Mopar Nats runner-up Street.
Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: kissmyaspen] #1782377
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I was wondering how long it was going to take for the Dirty Dozen to come up. They did get banded from IHRA and Norwalk except for the divisional and national event. But they did not find what they really did.




No they did not find anything... they beat feet before
they could check them... we use to run Norwalk a lot
and did up to a couple of years ago when I really
backed off on racing... still love that track

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1782378
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I won't beat the horse but yes Bader found out how they were winning. And it was shown to him.


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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Eric] #1782379
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I won't beat the horse but yes Bader found out how they were winning. And it was shown to him.




Yep... I commend the Baders for what they did..
those are good people

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