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checking for hidden delay box #1782340
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how would you go about it? obviously if wire from button to solenoid is not one piece and is tapped into, I would say delay box installed. using an ohm meter from button to solenoid, if no box installed, should have continuity? if box is installed, using same test,would it show open until button is pushed down? thanks in advance rick

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rbkt65] #1782341
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Be tough to tell if it were hidden. At zero delay it shouldn't read any different. I'm sure you could build a remote access delay adjuster. Use the stereo face as a screen and the buttons to adjust. Run the "exposed" wire through a grommet with the wires coming out in between of a faked double thickness panel. Personally with all the adjustable buttons and stuff I don't think it would be much of an advantage. Heck, I don't even run a trans brake.
Doug

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rbkt65] #1782342
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Nothing like a cheater.

If I am going down the wrong road, I apologize in advance.

Pat


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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: zzyzxpat] #1782343
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You would never find it....The person installing would already know that...And besides, its easier now. You just program it.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: dvw] #1782344
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Yeah with the trans brake buttons now it wouldnt be
worth getting caught with a box.. I've had tech go
all over my car at some no box races.. they knew that
I normally run in box but I could pull my box and plug
in a jumper and I was ready for no box

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Dragula] #1782345
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Just look up slew rate and index racing....

http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-au..._ref_map=%5B%5D


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rbkt65] #1782346
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Here's how we do it, we just ask the driver to power up the car (no engine running) and push the TB button and listen for the Click after release...no delay means no delay. Usally we do this in the pits but when in doubt it has been done in the stageing lanes. We also stand at the starters box and watch when it is suspected.

After reading this post we will be checking Randys car twice dont forget the Meeting 3/29 @ 1pm


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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #1782347
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Here's how we do it, we just ask the driver to power up the car (no engine running) and push the TB button and listen for the Click after release...no delay means no delay. Usally we do this in the pits but when in doubt it has been done in the stageing lanes. We also stand at the starters box and watch when it is suspected.

After reading this post we will be checking Randys car twice dont forget the Meeting 3/29 @ 1pm




Your funny Bill, I will bring more money to the meeting, you take cash, right?....But to my point, creativity is the mother of all inventions, and the people that do use them know a lot more about them than the average tech guy...Now with that said, I don't even use the trans brake except to back the car up...

You might want to read the article I posted though...You won't see any difference in the "click" by releasing the TB.....

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Dragula] #1782348
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not cheating sir no offence taken starting 2nd go round at gateway motorsports park and used to have homemade checker and lost it. there is a post on crossbones motorsports that is 18 pages long about buttons and cheaters and boxes. trying to smarten up thanks for all posts rick

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: rbkt65] #1782349
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about 10 yrs ago when they started letting t=brakes in 0-11.99 classes we were talking adj. long throw switches

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #1782350
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Here's how we do it, we just ask the driver to power up the car (no engine running) and push the TB button and listen for the Click after release...no delay means no delay. Usally we do this in the pits but when in doubt it has been done in the stageing lanes. We also stand at the starters box and watch when it is suspected.

After reading this post we will be checking Randys car twice dont forget the Meeting 3/29 @ 1pm




That works fine unless the delay box has a on/off switch lol

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Dragula] #1782351
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Just look up slew rate and index racing....

[url=http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-autumn/dead-on-why-is-bracket-racing-the-only-form-of-racing-without-rules?fb_action_ids=743961339005287&fb_action_types=og.comments&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B274256132698516%5D&action_type_map=%5B"og.comments"%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D]http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-au..._ref_map=%5B%5D[/url]


thats all opinion and speculation. the technology has been there for many years. I am sure there are a few low lifes that would still cheat to win. and there are rules preventing it in bracket racing just not policed.

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Quicktree] #1782352
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Joliet used to have a program that varied the timing of the amber lights. If you were using a box on the top bulb you would go red. You could see the second amber hang on just a little extra.


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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: slantzilla] #1782353
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Joliet used to have a program that varied the timing of the amber lights. If you were using a box on the top bulb you would go red. You could see the second amber hang on just a little extra.




A lot of tracks use it.. I believe its called cross talk

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Quicktree] #1782354
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Just look up slew rate and index racing....

[url=http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-autumn/dead-on-why-is-bracket-racing-the-only-form-of-racing-without-rules?fb_action_ids=743961339005287&fb_action_types=og.comments&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B274256132698516%5D&action_type_map=%5B"og.comments"%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D]http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-au..._ref_map=%5B%5D[/url]


thats all opinion and speculation. the technology has been there for many years. I am sure there are a few low lifes that would still cheat to win. and there are rules preventing it in bracket racing just not policed.




Either you didn't read the article, or nobody is using it then....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1782355
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Joliet used to have a program that varied the timing of the amber lights. If you were using a box on the top bulb you would go red. You could see the second amber hang on just a little extra.




A lot of tracks use it.. I believe its called cross talk




Not Cross talk. cross talk is on the top bulb. Both top bulbs come on when cross talk is on.


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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: kissmyaspen] #1782356
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Joliet used to have a program that varied the timing of the amber lights. If you were using a box on the top bulb you would go red. You could see the second amber hang on just a little extra.




A lot of tracks use it.. I believe its called cross talk




Not Cross talk. cross talk is on the top bulb. Both top bulbs come on when cross talk is on.




Correct... both top bulbs come on together then the
lane waiting it turns on the second bulb later

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1782357
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Yes, in any class using Cross Talk a box would be legal anyway.


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Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: slantzilla] #1782358
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Yes, in any class using Cross Talk a box would be legal anyway.




Correct.. they came up with that so you couldnt get
the extra hit starting on their light

Re: checking for hidden delay box [Re: Dragula] #1782359
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Just look up slew rate and index racing....

[url=http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-autumn/dead-on-why-is-bracket-racing-the-only-form-of-racing-without-rules?fb_action_ids=743961339005287&fb_action_types=og.comments&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B274256132698516%5D&action_type_map=%5B"og.comments"%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D]http://etdragracing.com/magazine/2014-au..._ref_map=%5B%5D[/url]




This nothing more than someone who fears what he doesn't understand. If he had ever tried to use slew rate to control traction or to run an index he would know it knocks the momentum out of the car and spews fire out of the pipe as raw file lights when efficient combustions resumes.

I run a 7531 in the index's. I use a lot of its tricks. Others use weight, weather stations with et calculators, adjustable restricted plates, & timed shifts. Are these methods cheating? No the author can understand these methods. But, slew rate as advertised by MSD is majic and works perfect. My suggestion is buy the box and let me know how it works for you. 99.9% of 7531 racers do not use slew rate. The .1% who do are wondering what is wrong with their car.

If/when you become loaded on the trailer. Come by and I will show what I do to run the index with 00's. You will not find anything in the slew rate.

Leon


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