Re: Gen 3 lifter use question. Or: Sometimes I'm SO stupid
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If you want it to run, you need to pull the head.
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Re: Gen 3 lifter use question. Or: Sometimes I'm SO stupid
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this is from a chrysler training manual:
5.7L HEMI® MDS Operation Both four- and eight-cylinder configurations of MDS have even firing intervals,providing smooth operation. Two cylinders on each bank are active when the engine is in four-cylinder mode – every other cylinder in the firing order. All of the cylinders that are deactivated have unique hydraulic valve lifters that collapse when deactivated to prevent the valves from opening. Engine oil pressure is used to activate and deactivate the valves. Oil is delivered through special oil passages drilled into the cylinder block. Solenoid valves control the flow. When activated, pressurized oil pushes latching pins on each valve lifter, which then becomes a “lost motion” link. Its base follows the camshaft, but its top remains stationary, held in place against the pushrod by light spring pressure but unable to move because of the much higher force of the valve spring. Deactivation occurs during the compression stroke of each cylinder, after air and fuel enter the cylinder. Ignition then occurs, but the combustion products remain trapped in the cylinder under high pressure, because the valves no longer open. No air enters or leaves. During subsequent piston strokes, this high-pressure gas is repeatedly compressed and expanded like an air spring, but fuel is not injected. 2009+ MY 5.7L HEMI® MDS lifters where redesigned to allow for more camshaft lift when deactivated. These newer lifters can be used in prior model year 5.7L engines.
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Re: Gen 3 lifter use question. Or: Sometimes I'm SO stupid
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Not sure if anyone has ever posted a pic of the lifters and see lots of confusion about these, so here is what they look like. The first pic is a conventional Hemi lifter. The second is a an MDS lifter. They are dimensionally identical. The hole in the side where you can see the pin is what makes them work. This lifter beat out the trunion bearing which let it bounce and destroy the internal body, which is why the pin is turned. Normally the pin sticks through the hole and locks the lifter halves together, making it a conventional lifter. When oil pressure is applied from the solenoid (MDS mode activated), the pin is pushed in, and the internal body can collapse enough to prevent valve lift, but not enough for the pushrod to loose tension to the rocker.
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Re: Gen 3 lifter use question. Or: Sometimes I'm SO stupid
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Nice explanation and pics. I see a lot of the MDS lifters turning and tapping lately in our dealership. Mostly on the later VVT engines.
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Re: Gen 3 lifter use question. Or: Sometimes I'm SO stupid
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FYI, just replaced the plastic plugs with a set of MDS solenoids. Firing on all 8 cylinders again. So yes, you can leave MDS lifters in your engine and just leave the solenoids unplugged, engine will run on all 8 all the time.
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Re: Gen 3 lifter use question. Or: Sometimes I'm SO stupid
[Re: cudaman1969]
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I take that as it has more plunger travel in MDS mode for higher lobe lift to be used.
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Re: Gen 3 lifter use question. Or: Sometimes I'm SO stupid
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Quote:
I take that as it has more plunger travel in MDS mode for higher lobe lift to be used.
Yea sounds right, I was thinking the other way
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