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1966 Torqueflight kickdown question #1780448
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I don't really consider this a "tech" question, just want to know if anyone has seen this set-up...

I just bought a '66 Imperial. After driving it about 30 feet, I knew the trans wasn't working correctly. (The car was in a warehouse and I needed to move it towards better lighting to look it over.) After pulling the dipstick, my fear was confirmed, the fluid smelled like poo and was brown rather than red. I still bought the car, but had it trucked home. I just dropped the pan and the blood-letting began. I'm hoping it was a good sign that the converter drain landed at 6 o'clock so no under-car cranking required!

Then I noticed something I'd never seen/noticed before... There is a piece of linkage sticking out of the floorpan, pretty much where the accel pedal would be located. However, it's just a rod with the bell-crank ball sticking out. It's not connected to anything. This can't be throttle linkage because the accel pedal functions normally, so I figure this must be the kickdown. Also makes sense because no kickdown would burn up the trans. (I didn't investigate further yet... Just wanted to shower the burned trans fluid out of my eyes and hair.)

But now I'm thinking this might be a one-year-only part because the '65 TF was cable operated, '66 was the last year before the Imperial was completely redesigned. So my question is, "Was this kickdown linkage a one-year Imperial-only design, or was this used across multiple years/models?"

Anybody know where I could find a photo/drawing of this part? I'll either have to fab it or find it.

I've only dealt with the later 60s version that actuates the kickdown from the throttle shaft. I asked my '51 Imperial and it said "What is an automatic transmission?"

Re: 1966 Torqueflight kickdown question [Re: GetAwayDriver] #1780449
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I think most of the early C bodies had mechanical linkage from carb to trans. Two bell cranks, one at the back of the motor, and one down at the trans, about where the foot pedal is.

Sounds to me like your diagnosis is correct in that the trans is gone because of lack of linkage. Maybe why the car was parked?

In any case, a trans rebuild shouldn't break the bank if you take it out and bring it to a shop, or maybe even try rebuilding it yourself.

Best of luck to you!

Re: 1966 Torqueflight kickdown question [Re: GetAwayDriver] #1780450
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Anybody know where I could find a photo/drawing of this part? I'll either have to fab it or find it.






'66 FSM should answer the questions...

Re: 1966 Torqueflight kickdown question [Re: GetAwayDriver] #1780451
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The '66 Imperial would have the one-piece TP linkage i.e. a single rod runs directly from the carb to the lever on the trans...no bellcranks like the other Chrysler models.

Similar to the 4th picture down on this archives page.

http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/auto/35.html


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Re: 1966 Torqueflight kickdown question [Re: John_Kunkel] #1780452
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Was that one of the cars from the estate sale in Dearborn? I saw all of the Imperials, and really wanted the '65 vert but that one sold almost immediately.

My '67 Imperial had the conventional bellcrank linkage, like my '68 300.


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Re: 1966 Torqueflight kickdown question [Re: RSNOMO] #1780453
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Anybody know where I could find a photo/drawing of this part? I'll either have to fab it or find it.






'66 FSM should answer the questions...




Indeed, and wealth of info on setting it up proper.

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Anybody know where I could find a photo/drawing of this part? I'll either have to fab it or find it.






'66 FSM should answer the questions...




Indeed, and wealth of info on setting it up proper.




True enough. However once you have FSMs for a few Mopars spanning a few years, most of the info transfers. For example, much of this car is the same as my '62. Except for oddball details like this...

I think with my eyes filled with burnt transfluid (my happy-place), I only noticed the bellcrank connected to nothing. I should have noticed there is a later-style kickdown that is intact and functional. A '64 uses push-buttons, '65 uses a shiftlever and cable, '66 uses rods/linkage. Somebody in Highland Park must have said "Meh, we're only running this body for another year, let's just leave the accel pedal a carryover part."

So the good news is, I don't have to hunt anything down. The "unknown" is if adjusting the band and fresh fluid will do the trick.

PS: I wasn't kidding about the happy-place thing. Yesterday/today was the first time in God-knows how long I was able to work with the door open, out in the sun. I miss the simple pleasure of just being able turn wrenches and work on old cars. If I was a millionaire, that's all I would do... On my own island.

Re: 1966 Torqueflight kickdown question [Re: GetAwayDriver] #1780455
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I believe if your car was equipped with it, the cruise control linkage rod attaches to that bellcrank.

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So the good news is, I don't have to hunt anything down. The "unknown" is if adjusting the band and fresh fluid will do the trick.







C'mon C, it's toast...


Gonna be 65 tamarraw...

Call BA, and we'll get that trans on the ground...

Re: 1966 Torqueflight kickdown question [Re: Blusmbl] #1780457
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I believe if your car was equipped with it, the cruise control linkage rod attaches to that bellcrank.




Son of a bi... It is equipped with cruise. Thanks for the heads up.

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So the good news is, I don't have to hunt anything down. The "unknown" is if adjusting the band and fresh fluid will do the trick.







C'mon C, it's toast...


Gonna be 65 tamarraw...

Call BA, and we'll get that trans on the ground...




Yes, 65 degrees so I am told. And 30 the week after, so I have also been told.

And no matter how much of an A-team fan that you may be, I pity the fool who would rebuild a trans without at least trying a band adjustment.


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Was that one of the cars from the estate sale in Dearborn? I saw all of the Imperials, and really wanted the '65 vert but that one sold almost immediately.

My '67 Imperial had the conventional bellcrank linkage, like my '68 300.




Yes, this is one of those cars. I made a pretty fair offer on the one with a terrible paint job and they accepted. It's solid as a rock underneath (car is from Washington state), so I'll use that paint as a guide coat once the weather is warm enough to do paint work.

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Yer way beyond a band adjustment...

The gravel in that pan tells the story...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPQlXNH36mI

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Yer way beyond a band adjustment...

The gravel in that pan tells the story...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPQlXNH36mI




I once bought a '74 Monaco that had been smashed pretty hard, and the trans was so burned it would barely move. I did pretty much the same thing, drove it around for a while and finally to Murray Park's junkyard in Tiffin, OH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak2mWnyXLnI

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Yes, this is one of those cars. I made a pretty fair offer on the one with a terrible paint job and they accepted. It's solid as a rock underneath (car is from Washington state), so I'll use that paint as a guide coat once the weather is warm enough to do paint work.




Right on. The guy had nice taste in vintage luxury, that's for sure. I didn't realize they were negotiating on price. I think they started selling them off in December, those seemed to be going for fixed prices until the fleet dwindled.

On my '67 I never saw where the linkage rod attached to, but I definitely remember the "auto pilot" control unit on the driver's inner fender with an adjuster and a long rod that went down towards where the pedal assembly was. I still have the FSM for it and they don't show the pedal end, just the end by the control unit.

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They never officially said they would take offers, but this car was still listed on Craigs for weeks (months?) after the first sale. I knew people would be afraid of it because of the cheapo re-spray, so I screen-capped the completed autions section of eBay along with a polite email that said I'd buy it at X price. He emailed back and said "bring cash". Now my goal is just to get it safe and reliable. Hopefully start on cosmetics in early summer. They have an offer of $170k for the 3 Eldorados if you'd care to top it.

That old auto-pilot was cool... I had it on a '68 and should have remembered it would allow, but push-back if you exceeded the set speed. Had to come through the pedal... Duh.

PS: Not a lot of tech in this thread, which is why I posted in the non tech section. Guess the mods have to justify their pay.







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