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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: 1967dartgt] #1779866
03/15/15 09:09 AM
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Wow lucky!




And he's still on the throttle!


It may be ugly, but it sure is slow.

Girls comb their hair in rear view mirrors and the boys try to look so hard....
Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: poboyengineering] #1779867
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INCREDIBLE Photo's HERE!!!!

Check it out: Dixon Crash USA Today

Dixon: “It’s like a roller-coaster ride that flies off the track. Now what are you going to do? You just have to wait to land and hope everything does its job for you.”


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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: B Dartman] #1779868
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Looks like the better of a double tragic happening because it looks like both cars were going to trade front wheel rubber and lanes at the shut off point.

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1779869
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The arch in the chassis under power is what helps keep it stuck. Within the given rules, they have been building these things more and more flexible, to arch more. Considering this car was recently front halved, sounds as though they may have put TOO much flex in it.

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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: Monte_Smith] #1779870
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I wrote earlier that the accident cause was chassis failure, not aero per se. However after further reflection and watching linked video, aero played an unintentional role possibly. As mentioned, the rear very high mounted wing past the rear axle axle centerline, provides huge DF, and with that, a large degree of drag, which then acts as a big lever arm to lift the front end. That lift is counteracted by the front wing, and we get arch. However as the arch increases, the angle of attack of the rear wing decreases, DF decreases and drag decreases. However the opposite occurs with the front wing, as drag increases, and if front wing lowers lowers below the COG, it's kinda like butting against a concrete wall, increasing the arch, but I suspect the biggest aero contributor is the front wing being in front of the front axle centerline, also acts like a cantilever, and as the front wing lowers, its angle of attack increases with the above mentioned results,more DF and drag, but most importantly, it is now low enough for a "ground effect", with the resultant massive increase in DF. You can see slightly in the video the front wing is on the ground at chassis failure. I'm just winging it here, pun intended.

From Wiki:
"Theory[edit]
In racing cars, a designer's aim is for increased downforce and grip to achieve higher cornering speeds. A substantial amount of downforce is available by understanding the ground to be part of the aerodynamic system in question, hence the name "ground effect". Starting in the mid-1960s, 'wings' were routinely used in the design of race cars to increase downforce (this is not a type of ground effect). Designers shifted their efforts at understanding air flow around the perimeter, body skirts, and undersides of the vehicle to increase downforce with less drag than compared to using a wing.

This kind of ground effect is easily illustrated by taking a tarpaulin out on a windy day and holding it close to the ground: it can be observed that when close enough to the ground the tarp will be drawn towards the ground. This is due to Bernoulli's principle; as the tarp gets closer to the ground, the cross sectional area available for the air passing between it and the ground shrinks. This causes the air to accelerate and as a result pressure under the tarp drops while the pressure on top is unaffected, and together this results in a net downward force. The same principles apply to cars.

The Bernoulli principle is not the only mechanic in generating ground effect downforce. A large part of ground effect performance comes from taking advantage of viscosity. In the tarp example above neither the tarp nor the ground is moving. The boundary layer between the two surfaces works to slow down the air between them which lessens the Bernoulli effect. When a car moves over the ground the boundary layer on the ground becomes helpful. In the reference frame of the car, the ground is moving backwards at some speed. As the ground moves, it pulls on the air above it and causes it to move faster. This enhances the Bernoulli effect and increases downforce. It is an example of Couette flow."

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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: jcc] #1779871
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If you watch the video in slow motion the front goes to the right first. Then it tears away from the chassis. It was chassis failure.


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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: 1967dartgt] #1779872
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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: Quicktree] #1779873
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car only had 60-70 passes

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/nhra-larry-dixon-crash-video-photos




And I'm thinking he meant 60 passes after it was front
havfted ... doesnt take long to get 60 hits.. and
thats a 2010 new build

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1779874
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car only had 60-70 passes

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/nhra-larry-dixon-crash-video-photos




And I'm thinking he meant 60 passes after it was front
havfted ... doesnt take long to get 60 hits.. and
thats a 2010 new build



didn't see where they said it was a 2010

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: Quicktree] #1779875
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I think you can see the chassis bowed to both its vertical and lateral extremes which is what I think caused the overstress, a couple of the USA today shots capture the side motion, must of had a lot of front plane to keep the skinnies planted hard enough to bow sideways like that.


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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: Streetwize] #1779876
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It looks to me like he "won" that race cause his junk was a cross the line first. Just was a little higher than the beams...

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: Airwoofer] #1779877
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NHRA drag racing finally got some FREE advertizing. The wreck made MSN homepage our 11pm local news, and Larry Dixon has several TV appearances scheduled.


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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: ] #1779879
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Wouldn't think down force would cause it to go right.

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No, but expecting both top chords of the frame to fail/seperate/collapse at exactly at the same time would be asking a lot, hence the bend we see in the latest headon video.


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Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: 1967dartgt] #1779881
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Wouldn't think down force would cause it to go right.




You can see in the pic you posted that the front isnt
in line with the back of the car... its already broke
a tube(I'm thinking a upper tube)

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. [Re: jcc] #1779882
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No, but expecting both top chords of the frame to fail/seperate/collapse at exactly at the same time would be asking a lot, hence the bend we see in the latest headon video.




Correct it had a chassis failure.


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