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WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today.

Posted By: pittsburghracer

WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/14/15 09:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0xVHPiKRec&feature=youtu.be
Posted By: Dartin

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/14/15 09:45 PM

Holy Cow!!! That was crazy, hope he's alright. What the heck causes that?

Randy
Posted By: dOoC

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/14/15 09:52 PM

A combo of toooo much wing on the front and rear of the car ?
Posted By: carcrazyguy

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/14/15 10:00 PM

Front downforce and rear downforce create center lift...
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/14/15 10:27 PM

Car had a new front half put on. And was a 2010 chassis.
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/14/15 10:45 PM

Jack "300 Bowl" Ostrander had the same thing happen at the Gators 20 years ago. The car broke in the center from the load between the front and rear wings.
Posted By: jcc

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 12:16 AM

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A combo of toooo much wing on the front and rear of the car ?



Not in my book, the wings were doing what they were supposed to, applying DF, which allowed the available HP to accelerate the car, causing the front end to try and lift, enough to the point the chassis failed. Its chassis failure.
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 12:27 AM

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A combo of toooo much wing on the front and rear of the car ?



Not in my book, the wings were doing what they were supposed to, applying DF, which allowed the available HP to accelerate the car, causing the front end to try and lift, enough to the point the chassis failed. Its chassis failure.



It just flat buckled in the front 1/3 of the chassis.
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 12:48 AM

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A combo of toooo much wing on the front and rear of the car ?



Not in my book, the wings were doing what they were supposed to, applying DF, which allowed the available HP to accelerate the car, causing the front end to try and lift, enough to the point the chassis failed. Its chassis failure.




Doc called it right, if it didn't have more wing than the chassis could handle it wouldn't have failed.
Posted By: jcc

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 01:00 AM

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A combo of toooo much wing on the front and rear of the car ?



Not in my book, the wings were doing what they were supposed to, applying DF, which allowed the available HP to accelerate the car, causing the front end to try and lift, enough to the point the chassis failed. Its chassis failure.




Doc called it right, if it didn't have more wing than the chassis could handle it wouldn't have failed.




Or if it has less HP, or less tire, or less traction, or testosterone, or less etc
Posted By: lewtot184

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 01:27 AM

looks like the chromemoly tube broke.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 04:46 AM

Same thing happened to Tony Schumacher in 2000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I966mNsrOb0
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 05:08 AM

The chassis was from 2010, it was wore out. The hp strain over powered the metal fatigue and it snapped the chassis.
Posted By: 23T Hemmee

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 05:16 AM

Same thing happened to Larry also at Memphis when he was driving for Snake when Lahaie was crew chief. Almost identical except in Memphis, lugs sheared and tire shot up, had to have been 300 feet in the air, came down 12 rows over in the west-side parking lot, bounced at least 4 times before it disappeared. Can't remember the exact year, think it was 2001, Tony also had a bad crash on Saturday where the wing collapsed and sent him over the wall, (different from the blowover above)really scary cause Tony was tumbling in the cage right next to the engine tumbling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AnL9FLlvZY
Posted By: b1dartsport

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 05:22 AM

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The chassis was from 2010, it was wore out. The hp strain over powered the metal fatigue and it snapped the chassis.


That old chassis was tweaked in the high end by down force on every run and it finally failed.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 05:22 AM

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The chassis was from 2010, it was wore out. The hp strain over powered the metal fatigue and it snapped the chassis.




Thats all I think it was.. it was old
Posted By: tubtar

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 05:47 AM

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Front downforce and rear downforce create center lift...




The chassis will arch , but it is definitely not caused by lift as I understand the term.
The rear wheels are trying to drive past the fronts and the front wing provided enough downforce to prevent a wheel stand and the tubes arched to the point of failure.
Dixon said in a post crash interview that the car only had 50 passes on it.
He seemed O.K. , but Man.......what a ride !
I always liked him as a driver , so I hope he can bounce back and return to the track.
I don't know if Vandergriff has a spare car or not.
Posted By: Moe

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 11:41 AM

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looks like the chromemoly tube broke.




Chromemoly can't break?
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 12:40 PM

Wow lucky!

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Posted By: 440Jim

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 01:49 PM

Does this indicate that NHRA needs to require thicker tubing in that area? Reduce stress to increase fatique life? I don't think a little extra weight is going to hurt the speed of that class.
Posted By: poboyengineering

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 02:09 PM

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Wow lucky!




And he's still on the throttle!
Posted By: B Dartman

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 02:30 PM

INCREDIBLE Photo's HERE!!!!

Check it out: Dixon Crash USA Today

Dixon: “It’s like a roller-coaster ride that flies off the track. Now what are you going to do? You just have to wait to land and hope everything does its job for you.”
Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 03:03 PM

Looks like the better of a double tragic happening because it looks like both cars were going to trade front wheel rubber and lanes at the shut off point.
Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/15/15 06:27 PM

The arch in the chassis under power is what helps keep it stuck. Within the given rules, they have been building these things more and more flexible, to arch more. Considering this car was recently front halved, sounds as though they may have put TOO much flex in it.

Monte
Posted By: jcc

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 02:39 AM

I wrote earlier that the accident cause was chassis failure, not aero per se. However after further reflection and watching linked video, aero played an unintentional role possibly. As mentioned, the rear very high mounted wing past the rear axle axle centerline, provides huge DF, and with that, a large degree of drag, which then acts as a big lever arm to lift the front end. That lift is counteracted by the front wing, and we get arch. However as the arch increases, the angle of attack of the rear wing decreases, DF decreases and drag decreases. However the opposite occurs with the front wing, as drag increases, and if front wing lowers lowers below the COG, it's kinda like butting against a concrete wall, increasing the arch, but I suspect the biggest aero contributor is the front wing being in front of the front axle centerline, also acts like a cantilever, and as the front wing lowers, its angle of attack increases with the above mentioned results,more DF and drag, but most importantly, it is now low enough for a "ground effect", with the resultant massive increase in DF. You can see slightly in the video the front wing is on the ground at chassis failure. I'm just winging it here, pun intended.

From Wiki:
"Theory[edit]
In racing cars, a designer's aim is for increased downforce and grip to achieve higher cornering speeds. A substantial amount of downforce is available by understanding the ground to be part of the aerodynamic system in question, hence the name "ground effect". Starting in the mid-1960s, 'wings' were routinely used in the design of race cars to increase downforce (this is not a type of ground effect). Designers shifted their efforts at understanding air flow around the perimeter, body skirts, and undersides of the vehicle to increase downforce with less drag than compared to using a wing.

This kind of ground effect is easily illustrated by taking a tarpaulin out on a windy day and holding it close to the ground: it can be observed that when close enough to the ground the tarp will be drawn towards the ground. This is due to Bernoulli's principle; as the tarp gets closer to the ground, the cross sectional area available for the air passing between it and the ground shrinks. This causes the air to accelerate and as a result pressure under the tarp drops while the pressure on top is unaffected, and together this results in a net downward force. The same principles apply to cars.

The Bernoulli principle is not the only mechanic in generating ground effect downforce. A large part of ground effect performance comes from taking advantage of viscosity. In the tarp example above neither the tarp nor the ground is moving. The boundary layer between the two surfaces works to slow down the air between them which lessens the Bernoulli effect. When a car moves over the ground the boundary layer on the ground becomes helpful. In the reference frame of the car, the ground is moving backwards at some speed. As the ground moves, it pulls on the air above it and causes it to move faster. This enhances the Bernoulli effect and increases downforce. It is an example of Couette flow."
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 03:49 AM

If you watch the video in slow motion the front goes to the right first. Then it tears away from the chassis. It was chassis failure.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 07:38 AM

car only had 60-70 passes

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/nhra-larry-dixon-crash-video-photos
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 07:52 AM

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car only had 60-70 passes

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/nhra-larry-dixon-crash-video-photos




And I'm thinking he meant 60 passes after it was front
havfted ... doesnt take long to get 60 hits.. and
thats a 2010 new build
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 07:57 AM

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car only had 60-70 passes

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/nhra-larry-dixon-crash-video-photos




And I'm thinking he meant 60 passes after it was front
havfted ... doesnt take long to get 60 hits.. and
thats a 2010 new build



didn't see where they said it was a 2010
Posted By: Streetwize

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 04:43 PM

I think you can see the chassis bowed to both its vertical and lateral extremes which is what I think caused the overstress, a couple of the USA today shots capture the side motion, must of had a lot of front plane to keep the skinnies planted hard enough to bow sideways like that.
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 05:29 PM

It looks to me like he "won" that race cause his junk was a cross the line first. Just was a little higher than the beams...

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Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 06:07 PM

NHRA drag racing finally got some FREE advertizing. The wreck made MSN homepage our 11pm local news, and Larry Dixon has several TV appearances scheduled.
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 09:54 PM

Wouldn't think down force would cause it to go right.

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Posted By: jcc

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 10:58 PM

No, but expecting both top chords of the frame to fail/seperate/collapse at exactly at the same time would be asking a lot, hence the bend we see in the latest headon video.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 11:09 PM

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Wouldn't think down force would cause it to go right.




You can see in the pic you posted that the front isnt
in line with the back of the car... its already broke
a tube(I'm thinking a upper tube)
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 03/16/15 11:42 PM

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No, but expecting both top chords of the frame to fail/seperate/collapse at exactly at the same time would be asking a lot, hence the bend we see in the latest headon video.




Correct it had a chassis failure.
Posted By: jcc

Re: WOW. Larry Dixons Top Fuel wreck today. - 05/13/15 04:08 AM

whistling
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