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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: cudaman1969]
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03/10/15 12:30 AM
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I have 2 Cummins powered Dodges that I have put hundreds of thousands miles on. Mostly loaded down with a large camper and towing a 28 ft triple axle enclosed race car trailer.
My first one is a 92 club cab dually it is a custom conversion and has crew cab doors and club cab.The worst thing about it was the Getrag trans it blew apart. Truck was a little low on power but it would still get up to 70 and tow. 1st gen trucks also have a wider turning radius.
My second truck is a 97 club cab I have hot rodded it ported head, bigger turbo, camshaft, 4000 rpm gsk, different inter cooler. The worst part of it was the nv4500 trans 5th gear comes loose and tore it up. I put the NV5600 trans and a dual disc clutch in it now it is bullet proof. This was an easy bolt in with factory parts. The NV4500 I rebuilt with the 5th gear fix and it is in the 92. This truck fully loaded with trailer will accellerate up an 8% grade.
I like things mechanical. I would never buy a truck run by electronics.
Real Men shift for themselves
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: 1DGEMAN]
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03/10/15 01:06 AM
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The only trans I haven't had the pleasure of driving, or destroying is the NV5600. I will have to give one my torture test soon!  Wasted 5, yes FIVE NV4500's in a 99 2WD dually, 2 G56's in an 07, 3 48RE's in an 04, and just 1 auto trans in my 96. Haven't lunched the trans in my 93 club cab ramp truck yet, and managed to keep my 92 dually auto trans right on going though it was like riding on a buckboard!  Anyone have any luck with the AISIN trans? 
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
A-Body's RULE!
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: Rhinodart]
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03/10/15 01:06 PM
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The only trans I haven't had the pleasure of driving, or destroying is the NV5600. I will have to give one my torture test soon! Wasted 5, yes FIVE NV4500's in a 99 2WD dually, 2 G56's in an 07, 3 48RE's in an 04, and just 1 auto trans in my 96. Haven't lunched the trans in my 93 club cab ramp truck yet, and managed to keep my 92 dually auto trans right on going though it was like riding on a buckboard! Anyone have any luck with the AISIN trans?
Try the NV5600; I doubt even YOU could break one. Oooh and get a Southbend Clutch from Peter too. 
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
[url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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03/10/15 01:18 PM
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I don't know how it is in FL but here you have to practically give it away if it's a 2wd. Good for buying, horrible for selling.
 Nobody around here wants a 2wd diesel. You can find some really nice trucks for cheap b/c they are 2wd. My '01 is 4x4...I don't like getting stuck on wet grass.
I like my '01 quadcab 4x4 cummins auto. Pulls good, but desperately needs a tighter converter. That and the fact that it isn't a crewcab are my only gripes about it. Once you take care of a couple quirks they have they're good trucks. Get a good lift pump, fuel pressure gauge, rebuild the front suspension, and add a steering box brace.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: DPelletier]
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03/10/15 01:23 PM
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The 2003 offers the following; - common rail cures the VP44 failure issue - no post injection event, no catalytic converter - available NV5600 6spd - good brakes and steering - superior quad cab with rear seating for adults. it doesn't have; - plastic intercooler tanks - TIPM totally integrated power module....so you have to spend $1,200 to fix a burnt out headlight - urea injection - variable geometry turbos...another complexity that you don't need, expecially when they get all sooted up due to the exhaust gas recirc. - dual mass flywheels....just a crappy idea all way around. - catalytic converters that need to periodically regenerate and get hot enough to rival the surface temperatures of a white dwarf star. ....I have several diesel trucks, many gas trucks and I've owned dozens more that I've sold off or traded in. I could buy or drive any truck I like but my 2003 is the oldest and best in my small fleet....I truly think that due largely to environmental regulations that the newer diesels are fraught with issues....it isn't Dodge's or Cummins' fault...they still make the best diesel truck out there but they are getting far too complicated for me to consider keeping one past the warranty period. My 2003 has a 4" exhaust, Southbend ConOFE clutch and a Smarty reprogrammer. No issues other than common wear issues in 12 years. Truck has gotten a high of 20.5mpg and averages 16mpg in mixed driving...and it's an 8338 lbs, dually, 4x4 quad cab. Output is dependant on the programmer....between the stock 305/555 to over 400 hp and almost 800 ft lbs of torque. I tow regularly at a GCWR of 20,000 + lbs. My "runner up award" goes to a 2001.5 ETC/DEE HO 6spd ram with the rear disk brakes....even with having to keep an eye on the VP44 and dealing with the vague 2nd Gen steering, this is an awesome truck.  Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
[url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: DPelletier]
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03/10/15 02:56 PM
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Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
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The only trans I haven't had the pleasure of driving, or destroying is the NV5600. I will have to give one my torture test soon! Wasted 5, yes FIVE NV4500's in a 99 2WD dually, 2 G56's in an 07, 3 48RE's in an 04, and just 1 auto trans in my 96. Haven't lunched the trans in my 93 club cab ramp truck yet, and managed to keep my 92 dually auto trans right on going though it was like riding on a buckboard! Anyone have any luck with the AISIN trans?
Try the NV5600; I doubt even YOU could break one. Oooh and get a Southbend Clutch from Peter too.
Dave
I am starting to look for another truck, might just have to do an NV5600 this time. As far as SB clutches are concerned, NEVER AGAIN!  I blew a clutch on the 07 while at the Mopar Nats, found a shop very close and overnighted an assembly from SB to Columbus, OH. It had issues from the get-go. Even took the truck TO the SB Clutch plant in South Bend and they told me it was normal.  It didn't last long after that. 
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
A-Body's RULE!
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: DPelletier]
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03/10/15 03:07 PM
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The only trans I haven't had the pleasure of driving, or destroying is the NV5600. I will have to give one my torture test soon! Wasted 5, yes FIVE NV4500's in a 99 2WD dually, 2 G56's in an 07, 3 48RE's in an 04, and just 1 auto trans in my 96. Haven't lunched the trans in my 93 club cab ramp truck yet, and managed to keep my 92 dually auto trans right on going though it was like riding on a buckboard! Anyone have any luck with the AISIN trans?
Try the NV5600; I doubt even YOU could break one. Oooh and get a Southbend Clutch from Peter too.
Dave
Had a few trucks and whenever they needed a clutch, I call Peter at South Bend. Never an issue with any of them. Any that have a dual mass flywheel get a solid piece. Some of the best money I've spent on driveline parts.
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: Rhinodart]
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03/10/15 03:49 PM
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The only trans I haven't had the pleasure of driving, or destroying is the NV5600. I will have to give one my torture test soon! Wasted 5, yes FIVE NV4500's in a 99 2WD dually, 2 G56's in an 07, 3 48RE's in an 04, and just 1 auto trans in my 96. Haven't lunched the trans in my 93 club cab ramp truck yet, and managed to keep my 92 dually auto trans right on going though it was like riding on a buckboard! Anyone have any luck with the AISIN trans?
Try the NV5600; I doubt even YOU could break one. Oooh and get a Southbend Clutch from Peter too.
Dave
I am starting to look for another truck, might just have to do an NV5600 this time. As far as SB clutches are concerned, NEVER AGAIN! I blew a clutch on the 07 while at the Mopar Nats, found a shop very close and overnighted an assembly from SB to Columbus, OH. It had issues from the get-go. Even took the truck TO the SB Clutch plant in South Bend and they told me it was normal. It didn't last long after that.
Which one did you go with? I've had several ConOFE's and never a problem....even at full hp levels.
...starting to think it might all just be you....
J/K
Dave
Last edited by DPelletier; 03/10/15 04:17 PM.
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
[url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: crackedback]
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03/10/15 03:50 PM
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The only trans I haven't had the pleasure of driving, or destroying is the NV5600. I will have to give one my torture test soon! Wasted 5, yes FIVE NV4500's in a 99 2WD dually, 2 G56's in an 07, 3 48RE's in an 04, and just 1 auto trans in my 96. Haven't lunched the trans in my 93 club cab ramp truck yet, and managed to keep my 92 dually auto trans right on going though it was like riding on a buckboard! Anyone have any luck with the AISIN trans?
Try the NV5600; I doubt even YOU could break one. Oooh and get a Southbend Clutch from Peter too.
Dave
Had a few trucks and whenever they needed a clutch, I call Peter at South Bend. Never an issue with any of them. Any that have a dual mass flywheel get a solid piece. Some of the best money I've spent on driveline parts.
My one G56 truck now sports a proper one pce flywheel and a Southbend clutch.
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
[url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
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Re: Cummings Powered, what years to avoid
[Re: cdstl]
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03/10/15 09:55 PM
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Are you capable of rebuilding a transmission yourself? If not, expect to crap out a few grand to have someone do it for you.
The NV5600 weighs the better part of 500 pounds. A Mopar guy that does these transmissions locally uses an electric fork lift to get them out.
That 2001 is a standard output with a 5spd, NV4500.
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
[url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]
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