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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: mopars_1]
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03/03/15 02:32 PM
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As a Bronco owner, I love ICON builds, although I would never spring six figures for a Bronco. They have incredible skills and this will be badass.
Everyone loves the Superbird and Daytona race ars like Big Willy. What is the difference?
Because those are recognizable pieces of drag history. This is not, apples and oranges.
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I guess my theory is that to become pieces of drag history they had to be cut and mangled. I do get your point that back then they were ugly cars that couldn't sell for various reasons.
Maybe the new owner wants something he can road race or do SCCA stuff. I would love to have one with coil overs, slammed low, 4 wheel discs, a new gen EFI hemi, etc.. To me they look so much better than an OEM skinny tire show car. If I had a survivor, ok leave it, but this rusted out one is free game. Not a rare hemi 4 speed..
I like this one..
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: gtsuperbee]
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03/04/15 11:08 PM
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I don't have a problem with mods to a rare car. At least someone is throwing some money at it. Pretty much everything I own is modded. There is room for everyone in the hobby to do their thing. Personally, I would walk past 100 restored birds to check out the one with mods... but that's just me. The car was very rough, and somebody wants to put the time and effort to save it. That's all that matters to me.
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: SattyNoCar]
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03/05/15 08:36 PM
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Judging by the website, and it's name, hoping it's not going to be transformed into some 4 X 4 abomination...
How about crawling out from under your rock. ICON builds more than 4X4's. I love the Derelict cars....original looking, totally new/modern underneath.
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The derelict car thing is cool, I've seen that video a while back.
Ultimate sleepers.
A Superbird in it's original form does NOT look like a sleeper.
So where are they going to take it?
Hmmm, they do 4 X 4 s too, don't they? 
Relax John, just messing with you.
Guess you want me to crawl back under my rock... 
We'll see what they do with it and let the masses decide...
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: MONC]
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03/06/15 01:51 AM
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Its a shame because I tried to buy that very Superbird and plan to restore it. I was told was sold just after the talks started. What a shame. Affordable birds in project form are rare. Not mad at you Scott, just that the Superbirds and Daytonas have become the flavor of the week for the "more dollars than sense crowd".
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: dvw]
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03/07/15 12:40 PM
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Do you really think if a basket case such as this with aftermarket parts (and a lot of them) most likely mig welded is any different than adding Superbird parts to a 70 Belvedere that was rust free?
Yep...
Because if the cowl, and core support numbers remain intact, it still gives provenance that it is indeed the real thing...
Along with the rest of the documentation..
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: mopars_1]
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03/07/15 06:24 PM
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Do you really think if a basket case such as this with aftermarket parts (and a lot of them) most likely mig welded is any different than adding Superbird parts to a 70 Belvedere that was rust free?
Yep...
Because if the cowl, and core support numbers remain intact, it still gives provenance that it is indeed the real thing...
Along with the rest of the documentation..
and the obvious difference in initial price tag.
This whole discussion about "original" had me laughing (yet again) the other day. I was presenting a proposal to a woman who lives in an Eichler home. In Calif it was a "mid century modern" style home built in the mid 50's -mid 60's.
They are pieces of crap! 2x6T&G roof over exposed post and beam construction, 1/4" PLYWOOD on the walls, NO sheetrock, and ZERO insulation.
This woman was all out of sorts because to change the ALUMINUM wiring we would have to remove the wood paneling and new stuff just would not look right to a potential buyer!
Nevermind all the other non original stuff , like HVAC ducting exposed on the roof after the in the slab boiler heat finally failed.
Too much emphasis placed on "original" stuff. Did anyone notice the $$$ flying out at the January auctions for "restomod" style cars?????????
Driving modern convenience in classic beauty
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: RSNOMO]
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03/07/15 07:13 PM
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Do you really think if a basket case such as this with aftermarket parts (and a lot of them) most likely mig welded is any different than adding Superbird parts to a 70 Belvedere that was rust free?
Yep...
Because if the cowl, and core support numbers remain intact, it still gives provenance that it is indeed the real thing...
Along with the rest of the documentation..
Again makes me laugh. The "real thing". How much has to be left to make it real? A Belvedere (factory metal, welds,flaws,etc.) has more in relation to a factory car than a Superbird tag stuck on $20K worth of Chinese replacement sheet metal. I could care less if the tag says what it started life as something rare. I'm not saying to fake one for profit. But lets face it this is a Hobby for 99% of us, not a business. I can't buy that a 2" tag makes a difference unless it's someones ego. Just my 2 cents. I guess that's why I cut stuff up and race it.
Doug
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: dvw]
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03/07/15 08:39 PM
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Do you really think if a basket case such as this with aftermarket parts (and a lot of them) most likely mig welded is any different than adding Superbird parts to a 70 Belvedere that was rust free?
Yep...
Because if the cowl, and core support numbers remain intact, it still gives provenance that it is indeed the real thing...
Along with the rest of the documentation..
Again makes me laugh. The "real thing". How much has to be left to make it real? A Belvedere (factory metal, welds,flaws,etc.) has more in relation to a factory car than a Superbird tag stuck on $20K worth of Chinese replacement sheet metal. I could care less if the tag says what it started life as something rare. I'm not saying to fake one for profit. But lets face it this is a Hobby for 99% of us, not a business. I can't buy that a 2" tag makes a difference unless it's someones ego. Just my 2 cents. I guess that's why I cut stuff up and race it.
Doug
Are you implying that at a certain point, documented number don't mean anything? I guess the rest of the car world respectfully disagrees with you on that one. To each his own though.
Sounds like you're arguing against yourself. If this isn't a real superbird anymore and the numbers now don't mean anything, why bother sticking serious money into it rather than get a nice clean belvedere, buy good reproduction superbird pieces and save yourself a pile of money in the end while letting the next guy deal with the headache of restoring it?
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: mopars_1]
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03/07/15 11:38 PM
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Do you really think if a basket case such as this with aftermarket parts (and a lot of them) most likely mig welded is any different than adding Superbird parts to a 70 Belvedere that was rust free?
Yep...
Because if the cowl, and core support numbers remain intact, it still gives provenance that it is indeed the real thing...
Along with the rest of the documentation..
Again makes me laugh. The "real thing". How much has to be left to make it real? A Belvedere (factory metal, welds,flaws,etc.) has more in relation to a factory car than a Superbird tag stuck on $20K worth of Chinese replacement sheet metal. I could care less if the tag says what it started life as something rare. I'm not saying to fake one for profit. But lets face it this is a Hobby for 99% of us, not a business. I can't buy that a 2" tag makes a difference unless it's someones ego. Just my 2 cents. I guess that's why I cut stuff up and race it.
Doug
Are you implying that at a certain point, documented number don't mean anything? I guess the rest of the car world respectfully disagrees with you on that one. To each his own though.
Sounds like you're arguing against yourself. If this isn't a real superbird anymore and the numbers now don't mean anything, why bother sticking serious money into it rather than get a nice clean belvedere, buy good reproduction superbird pieces and save yourself a pile of money in the end while letting the next guy deal with the headache of restoring it?
Personally that's what I would have done. But my point is its the owners car. His build, his money, the finished product is up to him. I think people get hung up on what they perceive a car is worth rather than enjoying it. To each there own.
Doug
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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03/11/15 12:04 PM
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I'm just excited by the possibility of a 'bird that doesn't have Goodyear Polyglas on it. I'll be watching.
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: wally426ci]
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03/16/15 02:38 AM
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The only reasoning I can think of (without the owner here to state correctly) is shock value. Saying it's a Satellite made to look like a Superbird vs. a real Superbird will definitely raise a few eyebrows on the show circuit.
That's just my  I can't throw stones as I changed the color of my car and added a few things.
While it may be for "shock value"?...for some that are seeking a car for a project, they don't want the "fuss" looking for the parts needed to convert/clone a base model, or research what is correct, so the call goes out for a particular model to avoid that hassle...I've mentioned it before in another thread, I have/had a customer that wanted a Superbird, he contacted me thru an associate for the necessary repro parts to convert a 70 RR he had purchased for the project(black California rustfree car!), after visiting his shop, the RR was indeed a V code car, after discussing his build plans, of which a GM LS and OD trans were part of the build, I asked him why he was using the V code rather than a base Sat or 383 RR ?, his response was it was the first RR that he looked at, and had all the performance parts/trim that he needed to make a Superbird from it, and at the right price...I'm sure if he saw a Superbird at the right price it would have been used as well...this guy runs a shop dedicated to Mustangs and Cobras, so what those in the Mopar circles hold dear, those in other automotive circles look at as just machinery, I did manage to score the V code driveline for one of my projects though...
I look forward to seeing this HellCat build on this Superbird, it's currently 1 of 2 Superbird builds going on using Hellcat engines and so called "real" Superbirds...
I think as these cars start to change hands in this "new market" where the resto craze of late is being viewed as passe, more builds will be seen where updated drivelines, suspensions, interiors, etc, etc will be seen/done regardless of the cost, or the vehicle's pedigree
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: wally426ci]
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03/16/15 06:24 AM
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The only reasoning I can think of (without the owner here to state correctly) is shock value. Saying it's a Satellite made to look like a Superbird vs. a real Superbird will definitely raise a few eyebrows on the show circuit.
Here's your answer (from another site) pretty much what I said above in my post
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Re: Wild Superbird Build To Keep An Eye On!
[Re: p d'ro]
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03/22/15 08:45 AM
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Thanks Scott for posting. This will be a fun one to watch. I'm sure you knew what you were getting into by posting in the first place.
Funny thing is just last week a local guy stopped at my place looking for an original GTO Judge. I knew a guy in SE MN who was heavy into them, but before I gave him the info, I asked him why he was looking for one. I'm always hesitant to send an unknown individual somebody's way without knowing a bit more of their story.
"I want to pro street it: tubs, lowered, 9" rear, blower", on and on.
He turned out to be one of those that couldn't put a sentence together without at least a couple of 4 letter words, normally starting with "F".
I just asked why he didnt locate a GTO or Tempest body and clone it the way he wanted. It would be easier to locate and less expensive to purchase, not to mention the Judge cars are somewhat rare.
"Nope; it's gotta be an original one." Some people just get it in their head and you're not going to change their mind.
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