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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: Thumperdart] #1739591 01/27/15 06:08 PM 01/27/15 06:08 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 master
fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	First off the pic above is not rms stuff..42lbs brake,rack,k frame And hardware...maybe I'm off a lb Or Two. I must say I do miss them 6 cylinder torsion bars though..:) Last edited by fishy340; 01/27/15 06:09 PM.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: fishy340] #1739592 01/27/15 06:16 PM 01/27/15 06:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 167 maryland 7 74yellowduster member
74yellowduster member 7 Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 167 maryland	that kit is the hemidenny stuff i have it on my duster. sits quite low. here is a brake kit you can use on the various mustang ii kits that does not change the width. ECI 704CK http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/mustang_pinto_discbrake_conversions.html this kit has aluminum hubs, granada rotors, heavy gm calipers, you could swap wildwood or ssbc lightweight calipers that are gm-sized it keeps the track width stock, so you would not need wheels with special offset Quote: We've done it! ECI has developed a Mustang II/ Pinto BIG BRAKE KIT that's perfect for your street rod. By combining components from existing kits, we can now offer 11" diameter rotors, BIG GM calipers and our aluminum hubs. This kit provides 65% more braking with no wheel offset! No other "Big Brake Kit" can offer this at any price! Last edited by 74yellowduster; 01/27/15 06:18 PM.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigdad] #1739593 01/27/15 06:39 PM 01/27/15 06:39 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	Quote: Quote: anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks? I tried to buy it less stuff, wasn't able to but, I didn't try really hard It was complete with brakes, etc $5350 shipped to me Had I done a little more research, I'd bought one from Hemi Denny same basic thing but, looks nicer http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=186472 And, I think its just a tad less $$ not much though looks like a copy of a alterkation? Is that mounts for a pinto rack and the shockes need to go to the stock shock brackets?? I think the alterkation is way less cluttered. I also like the mustang rack better. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: fishy340] #1739594 01/27/15 10:21 PM 01/27/15 10:21 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 883 Affton MO Q qwkmopardan super stock
qwkmopardan super stock Q Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 883 Affton MO	I have Alterktion on my Demon. Weight transfers just fine. I shortened the lower control arms 5/8". Car was only 45 pounds lighter when I installed the Alteration kit and switched front windshield from glass to Lexan. Car had a Wilwood lightweight brake kit with the stock suspension, and the Alterktion comes with a medium weight brake kit. No way you can lose 120 pounds. The whole stock K-frame with control arms, brakes and gear box does not weigh much more than 120 pounds. However the front tires last about 3 times longer with the Alterktion.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: qwkmopardan] #1739595 01/27/15 10:46 PM 01/27/15 10:46 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 master
fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	I lost 42 lbs switching the front brakes alone.I'm not sure how you went From a stock front end to the rms and lost only 45lbs. I'm not related to Bill the owner lol

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: John Burdine] #1739596 01/28/15 12:37 AM 01/28/15 12:37 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn. tubtar master
tubtar master Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn.	Quote: anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks? I think if you call Bill and do some serious horse trading , he is more than receptive to working with you. But consider that he must get a dozen calls a day from dreamers , whack jobs and [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] compared to the couple people who are potential buyers. We came to a couple mutually beneficial agreements and I also had some after purchase purchases......I found him to be very easy to work with. Last edited by tubtar; 01/28/15 12:37 AM.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: John Burdine] #1739597 01/28/15 12:54 AM 01/28/15 12:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,364 Morrow, OH markz528 master
markz528 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,364 Morrow, OH	Quote: anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks? I bought mine for $4000 without shocks or springs but with the parts to install my Wilwood brakes. That was in June of 2013. 67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: markz528] #1739598 01/28/15 03:38 AM 01/28/15 03:38 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden S sshemi top fuel
sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	There is different brake kits to choose from with different track widths. Although i think the lightweight drag kit is only avaliable as one offset witch increase the trackwidth compared to stock. I have ordered the RMS suspension and i really hope its good. Some seem to not like it but i cant see it being as bad as Magnum force. If it is i will send it back...

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: sshemi] #1739599 01/28/15 03:51 AM 01/28/15 03:51 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 883 Affton MO Q qwkmopardan super stock
qwkmopardan super stock Q Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 883 Affton MO	You can put a whole bunch of castor with the Alterkation, the car drives straight as an arrow and the front runners last a whole lot longer.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: qwkmopardan] #1739600 01/28/15 04:11 AM 01/28/15 04:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,152 SO. CAL. 7 70blackfish master
70blackfish master 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,152 SO. CAL.	my friend has it front and rear...car drives and handles Killer!

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: John Burdine] #1739601 01/28/15 11:03 AM 01/28/15 11:03 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	John... why dont you go with Strange struts... WAY CHEAPER and it includes everything you need (brakes springs, lower A-arms.. everything except the rack... its not hard to install at all... but I dont know if you play in a class where you cant run the struts $1900 gets it all 8410704-120531_1102a-w640-h479.jpg (140 downloads)

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1739602 01/28/15 12:03 PM 01/28/15 12:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden S sshemi top fuel
sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	Quote: John... why dont you go with Strange struts... WAY CHEAPER and it includes everything you need (brakes springs, lower A-arms.. everything except the rack... its not hard to install at all... but I dont know if you play in a class where you cant run the struts $1900 gets it all Totally agree! If you CAN use struts thats the way to go.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1739603 01/28/15 01:46 PM 01/28/15 01:46 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	Quote: John... why dont you go with Strange struts... WAY CHEAPER and it includes everything you need (brakes springs, lower A-arms.. everything except the rack... its not hard to install at all... but I dont know if you play in a class where you cant run the struts $1900 gets it all what he saves in upfront money he will spend more on the install. that 1900 you throw out there does not include the rack, steering shaft and u joints or a jig needed to install the struts properly. A alterkation can be bought and bolted in with basic skills. CHEAPER hardly ever is better. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1739604 01/28/15 03:05 PM 01/28/15 03:05 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,408 Chesterfield Twp. Mi. J John Burdine OP pro stock
John Burdine OP pro stock J Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,408 Chesterfield Twp. Mi.	I guess the question I have is, can you get a strut/brake package that will be robust enough for some street use? as bigtime said, alterkation is a bolt in, no fab needed.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1739605 01/28/15 06:49 PM 01/28/15 06:49 PM
Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,563 Janesville, WI SpareParts pro stock
SpareParts pro stock Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,563 Janesville, WI	Bob what advantage do you see between the mustang rack and the pinto rack?

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: SpareParts] #1739606 01/28/15 07:30 PM 01/28/15 07:30 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	Quote: Bob what advantage do you see between the mustang rack and the pinto rack? street, it has less vibration and is sturdier. race, none BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1739607 01/28/15 10:33 PM 01/28/15 10:33 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,698 jersey S Spaceman Spiff master
Spaceman Spiff master S Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,698 jersey	You guys have it easy with your removable K frames. Nothing out there for us old school full frame guys! 526 cubes of angry wedge, pushbutton shifted, 9 passenger killer!

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1739608 01/29/15 11:29 AM 01/29/15 11:29 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: John... why dont you go with Strange struts... WAY CHEAPER and it includes everything you need (brakes springs, lower A-arms.. everything except the rack... its not hard to install at all... but I dont know if you play in a class where you cant run the struts $1900 gets it all what he saves in upfront money he will spend more on the install. that 1900 you throw out there does not include the rack, steering shaft and u joints or a jig needed to install the struts properly. A alterkation can be bought and bolted in with basic skills. CHEAPER hardly ever is better. Yes it does take fab work... but if he has the front bars going out then thats the bulk of it... you dont need any jigs.. inclinemeter for the angles and a welder.. I did say it didnt include the rack... he has a column and it might need a splined rag joint.. they do make a heavier car system for the bigger brakes(everything is a little beefier)

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1739609 01/29/15 10:13 PM 01/29/15 10:13 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,433 Toronto M mshred master
mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,433 Toronto	I looked at some pics of the alter k and it does appear to have short shocks on it...Question is, why did they not extend that reinforced mount for the top shock up higher some to get a longer shock in there? It seems there is plenty of room. It also got my wondering about converting to coilovers without a rack or aftermarket k. Couldn't one fab up that same type of bracket, from some decent gauge steel, and create their own mount for a coilover shock that does not use the stock body mount? Obviously you are only gaining the loss of torsion bars and the switch to coilovers and nothing else, but I wonder if if could be done and work or if anyone has done it???

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: mshred] #1739610 01/29/15 11:06 PM 01/29/15 11:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 master
fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.

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