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bigtimeauto / Alterkation users?
Posted By: John Burdine
bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 02:49 AM
1. bigtimeauto, how much did you have Bill narrow the control arms to pull the front tires under the fender?
2. on my car, the top front shock mounts are reinforced/tied into the cage and will support coil over front suspension.
question is, would it be better to use my upper shock mounts and cut the mounts off the alterkation to allow for a longer shock/spring package, or leave it?
I thought I read the alterkation uses a short shock spring package and my car sits fairly low.
Posted By: tubtar
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 02:54 AM
Unless you really need additional travel , I'd probably stick with the Alterktion mounts and shocks.
There ain't much there travel wise , but I haven't bottomed it yet with about a hundred street miles and assorted pounding so far.
Posted By: Al_Alguire
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 03:20 AM
IMO one of the weak links with the AlterK is the lack of shock travel. Now that I said that not all cars need a ton of shock travel depends on the power level. I also would want to cut the control arms down to pull the wheels in. One of the issues on the Hot Street car was ride height, but we could not get the front lower with the "stock" alterK stuff.
Posted By: 540dust
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 03:22 AM
I believe my arms were shortened 1/2 and I use 2.25 bs rims. I do not have the short shock package.
Posted By: 540dust
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 03:24 AM
Another..
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 03:59 AM
I did mine myself I took 3/4" out of them and I use offset weld 2.0
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 04:06 AM
Posted By: justinp61
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 04:50 AM
I have ran across a couple good deals on the Alter K front end but have passed because of the width and the short shock travel. My car is a small block street/strip car and needs all the travel I can get to make it work. On high power cars that work well it may be the best thing since pockets on bibbed overalls.
Posted By: bigdad
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 05:24 AM
The Valiant has Alterkation, I think it will work well
I used 2.25 back space wheels it tucked them in nice
Posted By: bigdad
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 05:31 AM
Posted By: dezduster
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 05:40 AM
That Valiant is way freaking cool. It should launch well and certainly be one of a kind at the drags and most cruises.
Posted By: bigdad
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 05:56 AM
Thanks, yeah its not a common car for sure
Hope to have it moving under its own power this summer
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 06:06 AM
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I have ran across a couple good deals on the Alter K front end but have passed because of the width and the short shock travel. My car is a small block street/strip car and needs all the travel I can get to make it work.
you need to start thinking out of the box. The alterkation is a great general platform to start with but like anything for a race car you need to make it work for you.
Posted By: fishy340
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 06:12 AM
I can't quit understand what some folks talk about.
1- It makes ur front end 120lbs lighter
2- it gives you twice the room as a stock k frame
3- comes w Brakes that are 50x better then stock disc.
4- works absolutely perfect in 99.9 % of the cars where the owners use it.
5- rack and pinion steering,spindles are awesome.
It's a no brainer and one of the best upgrades out their...locally built,customer service is great Etc etc
Posted By: John Burdine
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 07:14 AM
anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks?
Posted By: demon440
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 08:42 AM
Hey John.
I will sell you mine for $10grand and throw
in the Demon and all my parts for free.
Posted By: John Burdine
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 09:06 AM
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Hey John.
I will sell you mine for $10grand and throw
in the Demon and all my parts for free.
how about $3000 and you can keep the car and parts.
so what your saying is, its not running yet. get bust man!
Posted By: bigdad
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 02:33 PM
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anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks?
I tried to buy it less stuff, wasn't able to but, I didn't try really hard
It was complete with brakes, etc
$5350 shipped to me
Had I done a little more research, I'd bought one from Hemi Denny
same basic thing but, looks nicer
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=186472
And, I think its just a tad less $$ not much though
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 05:23 PM
Wow, looks like a killer piece. Hi, Bob.
Posted By: Thumperdart
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 05:32 PM
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Wow, looks like a killer piece. Hi, Bob.
Looks heavy to me...............and a 120 lbs. weight loss.........really? 
Posted By: fishy340
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 11:08 PM
First off the pic above is not rms stuff..42lbs brake,rack,k frame And hardware...maybe I'm off a lb Or Two.
I must say I do miss them 6 cylinder torsion bars though..:)
Posted By: 74yellowduster
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 11:16 PM
that kit is the hemidenny stuff
i have it on my duster. sits quite low.
here is a brake kit you can use on the various mustang ii kits that does not change the width.
ECI 704CK
http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/mustang_pinto_discbrake_conversions.htmlthis kit has aluminum hubs, granada rotors, heavy gm calipers, you could swap wildwood or ssbc lightweight calipers that are gm-sized
it keeps the track width stock, so you would not need wheels with special offset
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We've done it! ECI has developed a Mustang II/ Pinto BIG BRAKE KIT that's perfect for your street rod. By combining components from existing kits, we can now offer 11" diameter rotors, BIG GM calipers and our aluminum hubs. This kit provides 65% more braking with no wheel offset! No other "Big Brake Kit" can offer this at any price!
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/27/15 11:39 PM
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anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks?
I tried to buy it less stuff, wasn't able to but, I didn't try really hard
It was complete with brakes, etc
$5350 shipped to me
Had I done a little more research, I'd bought one from Hemi Denny
same basic thing but, looks nicer
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=186472
And, I think its just a tad less $$ not much though
looks like a copy of a alterkation? Is that mounts for a pinto rack and the shockes need to go to the stock shock brackets??
I think the alterkation is way less cluttered. I also like the mustang rack better.
Posted By: qwkmopardan
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 03:21 AM
I have Alterktion on my Demon. Weight transfers just fine. I shortened the lower control arms 5/8". Car was only 45 pounds lighter when I installed the Alteration kit and switched front windshield from glass to Lexan. Car had a Wilwood lightweight brake kit with the stock suspension, and the Alterktion comes with a medium weight brake kit. No way you can lose 120 pounds. The whole stock K-frame with control arms, brakes and gear box does not weigh much more than 120 pounds. However the front tires last about 3 times longer with the Alterktion.
Posted By: fishy340
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 03:46 AM
I lost 42 lbs switching the front brakes alone.I'm not sure how you went From a stock front end to the rms and lost only 45lbs.
I'm not related to Bill the owner lol
Posted By: tubtar
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 05:37 AM
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anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks?
I think if you call Bill and do some serious horse trading , he is more than receptive to working with you.
But consider that he must get a dozen calls a day from dreamers , whack jobs and [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] compared to the couple people who are potential buyers.
We came to a couple mutually beneficial agreements and I also had some after purchase purchases......I found him to be very easy to work with.
Posted By: markz528
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 05:54 AM
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anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks?
I bought mine for $4000 without shocks or springs but with the parts to install my Wilwood brakes. That was in June of 2013.
Posted By: sshemi
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 08:38 AM
There is different brake kits to choose from with different track widths.
Although i think the lightweight drag kit is only avaliable as one offset witch increase the trackwidth compared to stock.
I have ordered the RMS suspension and i really hope its good.
Some seem to not like it but i cant see it being as bad as Magnum force.
If it is i will send it back...
Posted By: qwkmopardan
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 08:51 AM
You can put a whole bunch of castor with the Alterkation, the car drives straight as an arrow and the front runners last a whole lot longer.
Posted By: 70blackfish
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 09:11 AM
my friend has it front and rear...car drives and handles Killer!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 04:03 PM
John... why dont you go with Strange struts... WAY
CHEAPER and it includes everything you need (brakes
springs, lower A-arms.. everything except the rack...
its not hard to install at all... but I dont know if
you play in a class where you cant run the struts
$1900 gets it all
Posted By: sshemi
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 05:03 PM
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John... why dont you go with Strange struts... WAY
CHEAPER and it includes everything you need (brakes
springs, lower A-arms.. everything except the rack...
its not hard to install at all... but I dont know if
you play in a class where you cant run the struts
$1900 gets it all
Totally agree!
If you CAN use struts thats the way to go.
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 06:46 PM
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John... why dont you go with Strange struts... WAY
CHEAPER and it includes everything you need (brakes
springs, lower A-arms.. everything except the rack...
its not hard to install at all... but I dont know if
you play in a class where you cant run the struts
$1900 gets it all
what he saves in upfront money he will spend more on the install. that 1900 you throw out there does not include the rack, steering shaft and u joints or a jig needed to install the struts properly. A alterkation can be bought and bolted in with basic skills. CHEAPER hardly ever is better.
Posted By: John Burdine
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 08:05 PM
I guess the question I have is, can you get a strut/brake package that will be robust enough for some street use?
as bigtime said, alterkation is a bolt in, no fab needed.
Posted By: SpareParts
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/28/15 11:49 PM
Bob what advantage do you see between the mustang rack and the pinto rack?
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/29/15 12:30 AM
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Bob what advantage do you see between the mustang rack and the pinto rack?
street, it has less vibration and is sturdier.
race, none
Posted By: Spaceman Spiff
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/29/15 03:33 AM
You guys have it easy with your removable K frames. Nothing out there for us old school full frame guys!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/29/15 04:29 PM
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John... why dont you go with Strange struts... WAY
CHEAPER and it includes everything you need (brakes
springs, lower A-arms.. everything except the rack...
its not hard to install at all... but I dont know if
you play in a class where you cant run the struts
$1900 gets it all
what he saves in upfront money he will spend more on the install. that 1900 you throw out there does not include the rack, steering shaft and u joints or a jig needed to install the struts properly. A alterkation can be bought and bolted in with basic skills. CHEAPER hardly ever is better.
Yes it does take fab work... but if he has the front
bars going out then thats the bulk of it... you dont
need any jigs.. inclinemeter for the angles and a
welder.. I did say it didnt include the rack... he
has a column and it might need a splined rag joint..
they do make a heavier car system for the bigger
brakes(everything is a little beefier)
Posted By: mshred
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 03:13 AM
I looked at some pics of the alter k and it does appear to have short shocks on it...Question is, why did they not extend that reinforced mount for the top shock up higher some to get a longer shock in there? It seems there is plenty of room.
It also got my wondering about converting to coilovers without a rack or aftermarket k. Couldn't one fab up that same type of bracket, from some decent gauge steel, and create their own mount for a coilover shock that does not use the stock body mount? Obviously you are only gaining the loss of torsion bars and the switch to coilovers and nothing else, but I wonder if if could be done and work or if anyone has done it???
Posted By: fishy340
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 04:06 AM
Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Posted By: B1CUDA
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 05:29 AM
I had one of the first generation Alterk's, in my old Cuda, and made several passes in the 160 mph range, and felt as if I could take my hands off of the wheel, at the 1000 foot mark. I never touched mine, and still managed to 60 foot in the mid 1.20's, on a true 10.5, at 3300 lbs.+
My new car has an Alterk as well, with Santhuff shocks, and Lamb brakes on all four corners. Hoping to 60 in the 1.15 range, on a radial, and see no reason why it won't. Obviously, I recommend them....lol. Bill is an outstanding guy to deal with, before and after the purchase.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 06:17 AM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
Posted By: demon440
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 06:52 AM
Demon
Posted By: demon440
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 06:53 AM
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Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 04:43 PM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
2500??? i think the cold is getting to your brain!
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 05:07 PM
I'm also a Alterkation user...Started out running 6 oh's and now 4.80's in the 1/8...been 1.140 sixty and have ran it to the 1/4 mile mark many time's when racing a 1/8 mile race on a 1/4 track with no issues !!
Travel is 5",but I'm at 1 1/2" now...Bills service is second to none !!
Also have a Dart with a Bobs Pro Fab frontend and it has 6" of travel...Seems to be a nice piece with front coilovers mounting to stock location on the top...It's a leafspring with caltracks smallblock car and I may like the extra travel !!
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 05:40 PM
Money shot !!
Posted By: cesar perez
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 05:43 PM
to me all of these mopar custom frontend its just a mostang2 - pinto frontend but for mopars. and please dont talk about travel u can get 5 inches
Posted By: mopowers
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 09:52 PM
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Money shot !!
I love that picture! Car looks like it's smiling.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 09:59 PM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
2500??? i think the cold is getting to your brain!
You gotta stop sandbagging some day!! The cats outta the bag!
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/30/15 10:07 PM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
2500??? i think the cold is getting to your brain!
You gotta stop sandbagging some day!! The cats outta the bag!
1.25 60' is all its got! 
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/31/15 01:12 AM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
2500??? i think the cold is getting to your brain!
You gotta stop sandbagging some day!! The cats outta the bag!
1.25 60' is all its got!
Your on crack...how about your 154+ mph,hehehe! 
Posted By: fishy340
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/31/15 07:01 AM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Um I had zero issues w my Cuda that didn't or doesn't make 2500hp.
I agree with Gary at 140mph It felt like a cruise
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
Posted By: fishy340
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/31/15 07:06 AM
Gary with ur Santuffs and the rms how many inches is the coil over and is it still in the same mounting location on you Rms kit ? I need them
Thanks Andy
Posted By: mshred
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/31/15 06:13 PM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
This was my thinking exactly...My car is not that fast yet, so I figured it might be beneficial to be able to get a longer shock in the front for front end extension purposes in order to plant the tire.
To be honest, I am not sure really at all what is ideal for front shock length and how it plays a role in the overall suspension setup on a drag car. On the rear I understand, but the front is never talked about as much so it seems- as long as guys have front end separation from their shocks it seems thats all that matters.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/31/15 06:22 PM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
This was my thinking exactly...My car is not that fast yet, so I figured it might be beneficial to be able to get a longer shock in the front for front end extension purposes in order to plant the tire.
To be honest, I am not sure really at all what is ideal for front shock length and how it plays a role in the overall suspension setup on a drag car. On the rear I understand, but the front is never talked about as much so it seems- as long as guys have front end separation from their shocks it seems thats all that matters.
One thing I have learned... its easier to strap down
the front end IF you dont need the travel.. but if
is not there(travel) its a PITA to get it to transfer...
not all cars are create equal.. thats why there are
different length shocks.. even good ones... also I
like to use springs on the tie down cable so it softens
the stop as the body goes up.. it doesnt upset the chassis
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/31/15 06:23 PM
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Gary with ur Santuffs and the rms how many inches is the coil over and is it still in the same mounting location on you Rms kit ? I need them
Thanks Andy
Yes the front shocks are in the original location !!
Springs are Eibach that I bought direct from Santhuff...Don't remember the length and will check for original box for size !!
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/31/15 06:44 PM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
This was my thinking exactly...My car is not that fast yet, so I figured it might be beneficial to be able to get a longer shock in the front for front end extension purposes in order to plant the tire.
To be honest, I am not sure really at all what is ideal for front shock length and how it plays a role in the overall suspension setup on a drag car. On the rear I understand, but the front is never talked about as much so it seems- as long as guys have front end separation from their shocks it seems thats all that matters.
the ideal shock length for a given front suspension is a shock that will have enough travel to let the suspension use all of its travel.
A great properly valved shock will also negate the need for a suspension travel limiter.
Posted By: John Burdine
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 01/31/15 09:10 PM
I'm gonna get the Alterkation, my point was the way my upper shock mounts are tied into the cage, they will support the coil-over suspension. if I use that with the Alterkation I would gain maybe 2" of length which cant hurt whether I need it or not.
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 12:41 AM
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I'm gonna get the Alterkation, my point was the way my upper shock mounts are tied into the cage, they will support the coil-over suspension. if I use that with the Alterkation I would gain maybe 2" of length which cant hurt whether I need it or not.
depends on the mounting location of the stock upper versus bills. I was just so happy to cut those ugly stock mounts off of my car.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 12:59 AM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.
Um I had zero issues w my Cuda that didn't or doesn't make 2500hp.
I agree with Gary at 140mph It felt like a cruise
Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.
WOW DIDN'T KNOW YOUR CUDA WAS A 10.50 CAR!!!!
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 03:13 AM
The HDK K-member is one I have looked at too. They use an upper shock mount support.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 03:24 AM
I think the QA1 k-member keeps the torsion bars.
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 03:38 AM
Wow, this is all amazing info. Thanks so much.
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 04:47 AM
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HDK upper shock support
I'm curious, what car do you have, do you race it? How fast is it and what suspension is under it.
thx, bob
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 05:03 AM
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I'm curious, what car do you have, do you race it? How fast is it and what suspension is under it.
I have a 340 Dart that is under construction (it has been for a long time). and will be a 400/470 727 TF when it gets done. I had bought Schumacher conversion mounts but unless anything better shows up it will eventually have the HDK suspension. I want to be able to utilize full sized B/E under chassis headers with nothing in the way which a coil-over conversion will allow me to do. I have two friends with four HDK Hemi A-bodies between them. All are street cars and work really well. Their rides are comparable to a well tuned stocker and the steering is vastly improved. One of those cars has A/C and another one of them has a Keisler 5- speed. Two of them have Hilborn stack injection with EFI and two have Dana 60's. I do not plan on racing my car although it would be nice to try it once just to see what it can do.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 05:12 AM
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I'm curious, what car do you have, do you race it? How fast is it and what suspension is under it.
I have a 340 Dart that is under construction (it has been for a long time) and will be a 400/470 727 TF when it gets done. I had bought Schumacher conversion mounts but unless anything better shows up it will eventually have the HDK suspension. I want to be able to utilize full sized B/E under chassis headers with nothing in the way which a coil-over conversion will allow me to do. I have two friends with four HDK Hemi A-bodies between them. All are street cars and work really well. Their rides are comparable to a well tuned stocker and the steering is vastly improved. One of those cars has A/C and another one of them has a Keisler 5- speed. Two of them have Hilborn stack injection with EFI and two have Dana 60's. I do not plan on racing my car although it would be nice to try it once just to see what it can do.
If your still building the car, why not put a pair
of struts on it for MUCH cheaper
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 05:27 AM
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If your still building the car, why not put a pair
of struts on it for MUCH cheaper
I've never seen anybody convert to struts on a street car.
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 05:38 AM
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If your still building the car, why not put a pair
of struts on it for MUCH cheaper
like I have pointed out to you before, CHEAPER is not better. 
(even if the struts would actually end up cheaper) You want people to put struts on cars without a jig, frame table or the skill set to figure out where everything should be and WHY. assuming they even know how to weld good.
This advice is why cars end up unfinished and built wrong.
Buying a proven front end like Bills for a street car ends up bunches cheaper in the long run and makes a persons car worth more on the resale. Not to mention can be raced in a lot of series where big tires and non stock front ends are not allowed.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 05:44 AM
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Buying a proven front end like Bills for a street car ends up bunches cheaper in the long run
I have to agree with that. This is why I have done so much reading and research on proven setups even if it might be some time until I can buy one.
Posted By: J_BODY
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 05:49 AM
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If your still building the car, why not put a pair
of struts on it for MUCH cheaper
like I have pointed out to you before, CHEAPER is not better. (even if the struts would actually end up cheaper) You want people to put struts on cars without a jig, frame table or the skill set to figure out where everything should be and WHY. assuming they even know how to weld good.
This advice is why cars end up unfinished and built wrong.
Buying a proven front end like Bills for a street car ends up bunches cheaper in the long run and makes a persons car worth more on the resale. Not to mention can be raced in a lot of series where big tires and non stock front ends are not allowed.
What he said! 
going to the Duster from the Mirada I knew those dang torsion bars had to go.... and why not rid of that heavy steering box while I'm at at. Tube K, rack, coil overs..... A+ in all aspects!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 06:49 AM
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If your still building the car, why not put a pair
of struts on it for MUCH cheaper
like I have pointed out to you before, CHEAPER is not better. (even if the struts would actually end up cheaper) You want people to put struts on cars without a jig, frame table or the skill set to figure out where everything should be and WHY. assuming they even know how to weld good.
This advice is why cars end up unfinished and built wrong.
Buying a proven front end like Bills for a street car ends up bunches cheaper in the long run and makes a persons car worth more on the resale. Not to mention can be raced in a lot of series where big tires and non stock front ends are not allowed.
Why do you think you have to jig struts... if you
dont know how to put them on.. fine have it done..
but I also understand not everyone wants them
Posted By: John Burdine
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 11:00 AM
the HDK has a bar or tube running across the back of the k for support, that's as bad as having a drag link when it comes to oil pans. I don't know why some pics of the HDK show this and others don't.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 04:17 PM
I believe that it is an option. I'll email and ask them.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 04:22 PM
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the HDK has a bar or tube running across the back of the k for support, that's as bad as having a drag link when it comes to oil pans. I don't know why some pics of the HDK show this and others don't.
They said it was an option but not necessary.
Posted By: jcc
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 05:25 PM
I know drag racing apps have very narrowly defined needs, but most suspension design rule of thumbs lean towards lengthening control arms, seldom ever shortening them increases positively any handling aspects. Additionally, it seems just whacking off a inch on the control arms of a designed proven system casually, with little no suspension recalculations, seems awful shade tree.
Posted By: one bad fish
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 08:09 PM
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Money shot !!
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Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/01/15 08:20 PM
here is a picture when it didn't have 2500HP and with the junk qa1 shocks:
Posted By: John Burdine
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/03/15 12:45 PM
hey Bigtime, who's shocks are you running up front and what are the specs as far as extended/collapsed? what springs?
Posted By: cogen80
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/03/15 03:08 PM
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anyone know if you can buy it without springs and shocks?
I tried to buy it less stuff, wasn't able to but, I didn't try really hard
It was complete with brakes, etc
$5350 shipped to me
Had I done a little more research, I'd bought one from Hemi Denny
same basic thing but, looks nicer
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=186472
And, I think its just a tad less $$ not much though
yes you can buy the alter-k piece by piece if you want.
as far as the hemi denny one goes at the end of the day if you use the same high quality parts as the alter-k uses its really no cheaper. and you have to spend the time to source all the parts. not a huge deal but for the same price i may as well one stop shop with the alter-k.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/03/15 05:09 PM
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here is a picture when it didn't have 2500HP and with the junk qa1 shocks:
Yes it was down 700 so only 1800 hp.
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/04/15 04:22 AM
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hey Bigtime, who's shocks are you running up front and what are the specs as far as extended/collapsed? what springs?
santhuffs. I have no idea about the sizes they have been on there for 4 years now. Springs depend on your combo
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/04/15 04:23 AM
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here is a picture when it didn't have 2500HP and with the junk qa1 shocks:
Yes it was down 700 so only 1800 hp.
It was less than that, it was on nitrous 
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/04/15 04:29 AM
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here is a picture when it didn't have 2500HP and with the junk qa1 shocks:
Yes it was down 700 so only 1800 hp.
It was less than that, it was on nitrous
Sure pick on the nitrous guy!
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/04/15 05:25 AM
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here is a picture when it didn't have 2500HP and with the junk qa1 shocks:
Yes it was down 700 so only 1800 hp.
It was less than that, it was on nitrous
Sure pick on the nitrous guy!
here, very rare picture:
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 03:41 AM
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as far as the hemi denny one goes at the end of the day if you use the same high quality parts as the alter-k uses its really no cheaper.
The price I got on the HDK was less than others I checked.
Posted By: mshred
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 03:46 AM
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as far as the hemi denny one goes at the end of the day if you use the same high quality parts as the alter-k uses its really no cheaper.
Actually, from what I've seen the HDK should be $1000 - $1500 cheaper with the same componentry. Don't go by this B.S. - contact them at hemidenny@rocketmail.com
Umm, I don't think its B.S.
I got all the prices from Hemi Denny...Once you add in the cost of all the stuff you still have to buy and a decent brake kit, you are in the same price range as an alterkation...Pick your poison really, the Hemi Denny is nice too, but the advertised price without all the parts you have to buy just makes it seem cheaper.
Not knocking it, just stating it all seems similar in price to me
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 05:50 AM
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as far as the hemi denny one goes at the end of the day if you use the same high quality parts as the alter-k uses its really no cheaper.
Actually, from what I've seen the HDK should be cheaper. Don't go by this B.S. -
so you have no car yet are pushing this other front end to the point of bashing somebody here who gave their opinion? How do we know you are telling the truth or even care about this copy of Bill's front end?
Maybe you should start your own thread and stay out of this one now.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 04:29 PM
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How do we know you are telling the truth or even care about this copy of Bill's front end?
I'm going to call HDK today and get current pricing.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 05:05 PM
HDK pricing:
Base kit...$2595
Options:
Schumaker wedge mounts....$150
Gen II or III Hemi mounts....$250
Sway bar....$150
Rear brace.....$50
Willwood pro spindles $350
Willwood brakes $780
Manual steering rack $90
Power steering rack $200
QA1 shocks 400
Shipping (avg) $100
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 05:31 PM
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I'm going to call HDK today and get the current pricing.
I was pointing out to you that the title of this thread was for me and alterkation front end. I like the fact others join in with useful first hand experience and suggestions. What bothers me is you have no dog in this fight yet keep interjecting pictures and pricing. You seem like nothing more than a high pressure salesman. If your buddy's front end is good and priced right it will be fine without you flooding a thread with copy and paste information and pricing.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 07:02 PM
I did not mention pricing until after someone else made the statement that RMS and HDK are the same price.
Posted By: tubtar
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 07:58 PM
I dunno........I thought you might be Hemi Denny's nephew or something.
You did come on kind of strong.
I did look at them for a minute too.......and a couple other options.
But I have an RMS piece ( AlterKtion ) under my car and really like it.
Posted By: 451Guy
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 10:13 PM
You could be like me and toss away months of your life building your own. But lots of you don't live in the great white north with nothing else to do but hibernate for 7 months. I kept the torsion bars though!
I have gone 141 with zero issues.
Posted By: 451Guy
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 10:24 PM
In the car
Posted By: 451Guy
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 10:26 PM
Home made Ball Joints
Posted By: 451Guy
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/06/15 10:28 PM
Car after I moved the front tires in 1"
Posted By: ProSport
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/07/15 12:00 AM
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I kept the torsion bars though!
You lost me right there. 
Car looks awesome though.
Posted By: 451Guy
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/07/15 12:15 AM
Yah I Know! Was trying to keep the front end travel. Also was cheap, Just spent a bunch of cash on double adjustable front Shocks. Once the Honey Do list is complete may revisit.
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? - 02/07/15 01:20 AM
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I dunno........I thought you might be Hemi Denny's nephew or something.
You did come on kind of strong.
I did look at them for a minute too.......and a couple other options.
But I have an RMS piece ( AlterKtion ) under my car and really like it.
i have never saw anybody so pushy about something they have nothing to do with.......
