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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: fishy340] #1739611
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I had one of the first generation Alterk's, in my old Cuda, and made several passes in the 160 mph range, and felt as if I could take my hands off of the wheel, at the 1000 foot mark. I never touched mine, and still managed to 60 foot in the mid 1.20's, on a true 10.5, at 3300 lbs.+

My new car has an Alterk as well, with Santhuff shocks, and Lamb brakes on all four corners. Hoping to 60 in the 1.15 range, on a radial, and see no reason why it won't. Obviously, I recommend them....lol. Bill is an outstanding guy to deal with, before and after the purchase.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: fishy340] #1739612
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.


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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1739613
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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1739615
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.




2500??? i think the cold is getting to your brain!


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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1739616
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I'm also a Alterkation user...Started out running 6 oh's and now 4.80's in the 1/8...been 1.140 sixty and have ran it to the 1/4 mile mark many time's when racing a 1/8 mile race on a 1/4 track with no issues !!

Travel is 5",but I'm at 1 1/2" now...Bills service is second to none !!

Also have a Dart with a Bobs Pro Fab frontend and it has 6" of travel...Seems to be a nice piece with front coilovers mounting to stock location on the top...It's a leafspring with caltracks smallblock car and I may like the extra travel !!

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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: Gary Robbins] #1739617
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Money shot !!

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: Gary Robbins] #1739618
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to me all of these mopar custom frontend its just a mostang2 - pinto frontend but for mopars. and please dont talk about travel u can get 5 inches

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: Gary Robbins] #1739619
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Money shot !!




I love that picture! Car looks like it's smiling.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1739620
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.




2500??? i think the cold is getting to your brain!




You gotta stop sandbagging some day!! The cats outta the bag!


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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1739621
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.




2500??? i think the cold is getting to your brain!




You gotta stop sandbagging some day!! The cats outta the bag!




1.25 60' is all its got!


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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1739622
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.




2500??? i think the cold is getting to your brain!




You gotta stop sandbagging some day!! The cats outta the bag!




1.25 60' is all its got!




Your on crack...how about your 154+ mph,hehehe!

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1739623
01/31/15 03:01 AM
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Um I had zero issues w my Cuda that didn't or doesn't make 2500hp.
I agree with Gary at 140mph It felt like a cruise

Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.



Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: Gary Robbins] #1739624
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Gary with ur Santuffs and the rms how many inches is the coil over and is it still in the same mounting location on you Rms kit ? I need them
Thanks Andy

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1739625
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.




This was my thinking exactly...My car is not that fast yet, so I figured it might be beneficial to be able to get a longer shock in the front for front end extension purposes in order to plant the tire.

To be honest, I am not sure really at all what is ideal for front shock length and how it plays a role in the overall suspension setup on a drag car. On the rear I understand, but the front is never talked about as much so it seems- as long as guys have front end separation from their shocks it seems thats all that matters.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: mshred] #1739626
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.




This was my thinking exactly...My car is not that fast yet, so I figured it might be beneficial to be able to get a longer shock in the front for front end extension purposes in order to plant the tire.

To be honest, I am not sure really at all what is ideal for front shock length and how it plays a role in the overall suspension setup on a drag car. On the rear I understand, but the front is never talked about as much so it seems- as long as guys have front end separation from their shocks it seems thats all that matters.




One thing I have learned... its easier to strap down
the front end IF you dont need the travel.. but if
is not there(travel) its a PITA to get it to transfer...
not all cars are create equal.. thats why there are
different length shocks.. even good ones... also I
like to use springs on the tie down cable so it softens
the stop as the body goes up.. it doesnt upset the chassis

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: fishy340] #1739627
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Gary with ur Santuffs and the rms how many inches is the coil over and is it still in the same mounting location on you Rms kit ? I need them
Thanks Andy




Yes the front shocks are in the original location !!

Springs are Eibach that I bought direct from Santhuff...Don't remember the length and will check for original box for size !!

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: mshred] #1739628
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Why make em longer ? Bigtime and a few others prove the system works..only upgrade is put a better coil over in.




Because not everybody has a 2500 hp car like bigtime. A slower car like 10.50-11.50 would like a little more pitch rotation to get it planted. Only the high hp car like limited travel. Unless your a four link or ladder bar car, then you also don't mind the little travel.




This was my thinking exactly...My car is not that fast yet, so I figured it might be beneficial to be able to get a longer shock in the front for front end extension purposes in order to plant the tire.

To be honest, I am not sure really at all what is ideal for front shock length and how it plays a role in the overall suspension setup on a drag car. On the rear I understand, but the front is never talked about as much so it seems- as long as guys have front end separation from their shocks it seems thats all that matters.




the ideal shock length for a given front suspension is a shock that will have enough travel to let the suspension use all of its travel.
A great properly valved shock will also negate the need for a suspension travel limiter.


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Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1739629
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I'm gonna get the Alterkation, my point was the way my upper shock mounts are tied into the cage, they will support the coil-over suspension. if I use that with the Alterkation I would gain maybe 2" of length which cant hurt whether I need it or not.

Re: bigtimeauto / Alterkation users? [Re: John Burdine] #1739630
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I'm gonna get the Alterkation, my point was the way my upper shock mounts are tied into the cage, they will support the coil-over suspension. if I use that with the Alterkation I would gain maybe 2" of length which cant hurt whether I need it or not.




depends on the mounting location of the stock upper versus bills. I was just so happy to cut those ugly stock mounts off of my car.


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