Re: Pro Stock takes another hit.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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About time to stick a fork in NHRA.....
July 19th should be "Drive Like Rockford Day". R.I.P. Jimmie.
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Re: Pro Stock takes another hit.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/19/15 07:27 PM
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Don't get me wrong I love NHRA Drag Racing and enjoy watching Top Fuel, Funny Car, and Pro-Stock but something HAS to be done to keep costs down. I watched a few video's of testing and these pro-stock engines are wickedly RPM crazy. Somehow RPM limits have to be controlled to keep costs down. Grays car was sounding and running REAL GOOD. 
easy solution, make them use all factory parts instead of one off pieces.
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Re: Pro Stock takes another hit.
[Re: 64HemiSavoy]
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01/19/15 07:29 PM
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That's why they call it testing............they will simply change the compound and fix the chunking problem. I don't see how this is a major issue. Highly doubt NHRA "just did this" without consulting with both Goodyear AND Pro-Stock teams. And if it reduces the amount of time and money teams spend "scuffing" tires, it WILL be helpful.
Some are so ANTI NHRA, that they look at ANY change NHRA makes as the worst thing in the world.
The tire shake issue is about proper setup, not the tire
On the one hand, people say something "must be done" to curtail costs, which they have, by mandating certain tires, shocks, body profiles, ignition boxes, testing time, keeping out EFI, etc, etc, etc, to more or less keep most teams on the same playing field and limit unobtanium parts and R&D from the best funded teams.........but when the NHRA DOES make the changes, guys complain the class has no character and handicaps the innovative...........you can't have it both ways.
As it stands now, with the aero package rules, shocks, tires, clutches, etc, it more or less limits "innovation" to making more power. So what exactly do you think they should do to "limit" costs. Production bodies and parts, sure isn't the answer, because at that point, every team pretty much scrap what they have now and starts at square one and then you have the "factory wars" all over again. That to me doesn't sound cost saving at all, especially when Ford and Chrysler have little factory support now anyway. That would virtually guarantee that Pro-Stock becomes the "Camaro class" more so than it is
Monte
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Re: Pro Stock takes another hit.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/19/15 07:57 PM
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I'm a class that is losing racers because of costs involved NHRA comes out with a brand new mandated slick that they have to use. In a piss poor effort to reduce the passes needed to break-in slicks for race day they issues a new SOFTER slick. Problem is the new slick is now chunking like top fuel tires during a pass. Teams have already sold off old stock and the part number has been discontinued. Here we go again. 
This has been going on forever, thank goodness goodyear is testing tires. They have been doing it a long time and have replaced many tire numbers over the years each time they make a change to a design. Maybe it's late this year and some teams may have to switch tires? I know know other than goodyear has been down this road with pro stock before, business as usual I think? 
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Re: Pro Stock takes another hit.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/19/15 08:12 PM
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That's why they call it testing............they will simply change the compound and fix the chunking problem. I don't see how this is a major issue. Highly doubt NHRA "just did this" without consulting with both Goodyear AND Pro-Stock teams. And if it reduces the amount of time and money teams spend "scuffing" tires, it WILL be helpful.
Some are so ANTI NHRA, that they look at ANY change NHRA makes as the worst thing in the world.
The tire shake issue is about proper setup, not the tire
On the one hand, people say something "must be done" to curtail costs, which they have, by mandating certain tires, shocks, body profiles, ignition boxes, testing time, keeping out EFI, etc, etc, etc, to more or less keep most teams on the same playing field and limit unobtanium parts and R&D from the best funded teams.........but when the NHRA DOES make the changes, guys complain the class has no character and handicaps the innovative...........you can't have it both ways.
As it stands now, with the aero package rules, shocks, tires, clutches, etc, it more or less limits "innovation" to making more power. So what exactly do you think they should do to "limit" costs. Production bodies and parts, sure isn't the answer, because at that point, every team pretty much scrap what they have now and starts at square one and then you have the "factory wars" all over again. That to me doesn't sound cost saving at all, especially when Ford and Chrysler have little factory support now anyway. That would virtually guarantee that Pro-Stock becomes the "Camaro class" more so than it is
Monte
Again... Monte steps up with words of reason. Well said 
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Re: Pro Stock takes another hit.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/20/15 12:47 AM
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That's why they call it testing............they will simply change the compound and fix the chunking problem. I don't see how this is a major issue. Highly doubt NHRA "just did this" without consulting with both Goodyear AND Pro-Stock teams. And if it reduces the amount of time and money teams spend "scuffing" tires, it WILL be helpful.
Some are so ANTI NHRA, that they look at ANY change NHRA makes as the worst thing in the world.
The tire shake issue is about proper setup, not the tire
On the one hand, people say something "must be done" to curtail costs, which they have, by mandating certain tires, shocks, body profiles, ignition boxes, testing time, keeping out EFI, etc, etc, etc, to more or less keep most teams on the same playing field and limit unobtanium parts and R&D from the best funded teams.........but when the NHRA DOES make the changes, guys complain the class has no character and handicaps the innovative...........you can't have it both ways.
As it stands now, with the aero package rules, shocks, tires, clutches, etc, it more or less limits "innovation" to making more power. So what exactly do you think they should do to "limit" costs. Production bodies and parts, sure isn't the answer, because at that point, every team pretty much scrap what they have now and starts at square one and then you have the "factory wars" all over again. That to me doesn't sound cost saving at all, especially when Ford and Chrysler have little factory support now anyway. That would virtually guarantee that Pro-Stock becomes the "Camaro class" more so than it is
Monte
You want to know how to limit the costs in Pro Stock? Well here it is. Larry Morgan tried to tell them but it fell on deaf ears.I will put the link up, but he basically told them to limit the engine RPM and valve lift and it would make a huge difference.
http://competitionplus.com/drag-racing/n...e-pro-stock-too
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Re: Pro Stock takes another hit.
[Re: hustlin hoosier]
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01/20/15 03:15 AM
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I've seen at least 4 new cars so far for this season. Apparently not everyone thinks the class is dieing.
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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Re: Pro Stock takes another hit.
[Re: EchoSixMike]
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01/20/15 12:41 PM
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Give 'em pneumatic valves like F1 and see how much they save on valve springs? Give 'em EFI and a 11000rpm redline built into the NHRA issued hardware?
Trying to "save money" is a fool's errand, the better funded teams will ALWAYS be at an advantage. S/F....Ken M
The better funded teams dominated for years in F1 cars, so they started limiting RPM. It's a way to give less funded teams a chance to be competitive. Amazing cars, they are now turbocharged 2.0l powerplants.
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