Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/24/15 02:19 AM
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If this "outdoor Exposure" is such a problem, and it seems according to the supplied chart that deterioration is fairly linear, and it seems most here do not have much, if any "outdoor exposure", and those same people feel a 2 year life cycle in their own case is therefore foolish,
Why not incorporate a tattletale UV exposure color changing thread/strip/indicator? into the belt and make it a simple pass/fail, and no longer time based?
I'm sure the technology exists.
Oh I forgot, no money to be made.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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01/24/15 02:30 AM
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I have to ask how many of you racers come back and put your cars back in the shop or leave them in your enclosed trailer and take the belts out of them and throw them outside on the ground till next week?That is the only way I see them being in direct sun light 24 7 365 days a year.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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01/24/15 02:39 AM
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But I do know this for certain you let a dragster set out in the hot sun very long when you set your a$$ down it,it will be like putting an egg in a hot frying fan. Ask me how I know that.
Is it because your track let's you race in cut off shorts? Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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01/24/15 01:23 PM
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I just don't believe when we tighten down our belts we put any stress what so ever on them big 3" belts like some suggest.Think about it you want them snug,but do you think you could stand the pressure if someone grab them and pulled them tight enough to come any where close to doing any damage to them. If anyone thinks they can stand the pressure I will be more than happy to snug their belts up on them.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/24/15 01:37 PM
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By the way underwear over two years old should be replaced according to reports released by Hanes.
Underwear should never be thought of as a safety device...
A containment device, maybe...
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/24/15 01:52 PM
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Frankly factory belt specs really don't matter. They are NEVER tight, except in the case of an impact, which may be never. They are not pulled and tugged on through tightening clamps hundreds of times. They are not stressed at the point of attachment, at some odd angles and they are NOT designed to keep YOU and your SEAT, anchored in a car in the event of a high speed........like 200+ mph impact. The vast majority of "street" accidents are at speeds of 40 mph or less. The majority of racing accidents are at speeds in excess of 100mph.
Simple question......if your "street" car were capable of the speeds that your "race" car is, would you be confident in your factory restraint system keeping you in the car, in the event of a high speed crash. If your answer to that is yes.........well I guess that makes you a much braver man than me. Because my answer would be HELL NO. And I don't car if you can pick up a Sherman tank with a stock seat belt......I wouldn't trust it in my race car. Somebody mentioned junkyards pulling motors with stock seat belts..........well I would HOPE so, seeing the average small block is less than 600lbs. When we used to go "junking" all the time, I have pulled motors with some old pieces of rope we found lying around. You know what that means......NOTHING.......unless of course that signifies that we should trust a piece of old rope to be "good enough".........after all, you can pull a motor with it.
Monte
Monte... maybe you dont know what the hell your talking about... BELTS are a containment system.. in your street car or race car... a street car uses a 2" system and the race car uses a 3" system... both do the SAME damn job... the cage keeps you from the big hurt.. I quit.... whether I were to supply you with data I would be full of SH!T...as usual you MUST be right... BUT I totally disagree
You didn't answer my question...........In the event of a high speed crash, at "track" speeds, do you think the "containment" system in your everyday car would be good enough to keep you and the seat in place...........simple question with a yes or no answer.
Monte
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/24/15 02:00 PM
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I leave my belts outside but it rains every damn day so theyre still good
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/24/15 02:03 PM
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Frankly factory belt specs really don't matter. They are NEVER tight, except in the case of an impact, which may be never. They are not pulled and tugged on through tightening clamps hundreds of times. They are not stressed at the point of attachment, at some odd angles and they are NOT designed to keep YOU and your SEAT, anchored in a car in the event of a high speed........like 200+ mph impact. The vast majority of "street" accidents are at speeds of 40 mph or less. The majority of racing accidents are at speeds in excess of 100mph.
Simple question......if your "street" car were capable of the speeds that your "race" car is, would you be confident in your factory restraint system keeping you in the car, in the event of a high speed crash. If your answer to that is yes.........well I guess that makes you a much braver man than me. Because my answer would be HELL NO. And I don't car if you can pick up a Sherman tank with a stock seat belt......I wouldn't trust it in my race car. Somebody mentioned junkyards pulling motors with stock seat belts..........well I would HOPE so, seeing the average small block is less than 600lbs. When we used to go "junking" all the time, I have pulled motors with some old pieces of rope we found lying around. You know what that means......NOTHING.......unless of course that signifies that we should trust a piece of old rope to be "good enough".........after all, you can pull a motor with it.
Monte
Monte... maybe you dont know what the hell your talking about... BELTS are a containment system.. in your street car or race car... a street car uses a 2" system and the race car uses a 3" system... both do the SAME damn job... the cage keeps you from the big hurt.. I quit.... whether I were to supply you with data I would be full of SH!T...as usual you MUST be right... BUT I totally disagree
You didn't answer my question...........In the event of a high speed crash, at "track" speeds, do you think the "containment" system in your everyday car would be good enough to keep you and the seat in place...........simple question with a yes or no answer.
Monte
I would say yes.... you seem to think you are hitting something at 200 mph... no one pulled a concrete wall out into the middle of the lane...you are hitting at some angle(unknown) so the actual impact speed might be 100 mph(just a number) but it isnt a head on crash.. so yes I believe the standard 2" belts would keep the driver in the seat
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/24/15 02:40 PM
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The more I give this subject more thought the more I think were getting screwed so seat belt manufactures can keep cranking out belts.
If the thread is subpar then use a better grade of thread. This of course would reduce sales if the date is extended to 5 years.
The car manufactures clearly are making a quality seat belt as they would be sued into oblivion if they did not and someone was injured and a belt was to blame.
As always, follow the money.
How many people are using tie downs and tow straps from the same thread? The only ones I have ever seen damaged were from cuts & abrasion from years of use and abuse.
Pulling on belts cause them to be worn out? Get real. A lovers kiss compared the banging around some belts see in circle track cars. I have a buddy who raced short track cars and he would have bruises from the belts and wall impacts.
I guess I should throw out my hold down straps every two years if they are made from the same thread, after all SFI claims the material is junk after two years. I guess I'm really pushing my luck with 6 year old straps holding down a 4000 pound car.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/24/15 02:46 PM
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A 2" belt has plenty of strength to do what they are called to do... the reason for the 3" belt is to spread the load out on the persons body
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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01/24/15 03:01 PM
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The solution is simple and been pointed out numerous times. DONT RACE or find a nice little outlaw track to run at. We know one person posting loves to run at places where safety is not a big concern and a couple of the others posting seldom if ever hit a race track. This is getting a bit old and if a $70 set of seatbelts every couple of years is what keeps you from racing then for gods sake FIND A NEW HOBBIE
This is not the problem/issue at all... the thing that some are TRYING to do is get the time frame changed... I myself dont see ANY problem trying to do it... if you never try.. it sure wont ever happen
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