Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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It more or less comes down to who you are and if they want you to come to there Track and race.The small tracks have to operate like the Big Time NHRA Tracks.Think about it they are not gonna throw JFR or DSR out if they bend the rules a little! If no racers show up at the track to race,just how long are they going to stay in business?People sit back and tell us Racers nobody cares what we think or do,well if all of us stick together and do not race at there Tracks unless they have a Big NHRA or IHRA race to keep them in business with 15-20 cars showing up each week to race they go belly up!It has already been proven the Tracks can not only stay in business with just racers and only a hand full of spectators but do just fine.If they pack the stands with spectators and have no racers,things do not go very well for them. I can not speak for anyone other than myself,but I am only going to race at the Tracks were they come up and tell me they are Glad to see me and Happy to have me there.Not some where where they think they are doing me a favor by letting me be there and want me to jump through hoops to please them.
So are you saying we should only race at some marginal, backwater track where we know the tech guys who let you slide? Just inferring that but that's kind of what it sounds like. Correct me if I am wrong.
Of course, NHRA cares about image and attendance at their events but not at the expense bodily harm or fatalities to their racers caused by compromised safety equipment.
Also, comparing weekend warrior/sportsman racers to an operation like Force or DSR is silly. Would you get into a Top Fuel car with out of date belts? I wouldn't. I bet they change harnesses and belts pretty often.
Regardless, those guys are subject to the rules just like everyone else. They can either comply or not but my guess is that it would be very costly for them NOT to be in compliance.
Does this look like a marginal back water track to you?This is one of not just the Best Tracks in the South but the nation!Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.
How could we tell ANYTHING about the track in question, from THAT tiny pic.........other than the fact that tech and safety take a back seat there, because they are allowing you to race a dragster with a t-shirt and no gloves. Or are you saying because of "who you are" they let you by with this.........Either way, sounds pretty "back water" to me............But I will take a shot......Montgomery?
And if that IS Montgomery......while a decent track, it is far from one of the nicest tracks in the nation. You need to get out more...............LOL!!!..........but Jackie DOES plant pretty flowers there..........LOL!!!
Monte
Shame on you Monte trying to put down a Real Racer who races weekly most of the time,when your car has not been running since the "Roaring 60's"! Racing now is not the same as it was back in the "Roaring 60's" LOL
PS Yea its real easy when you do not have a race car or one fast enough to need BS like the 2 year belt rules to set back and tell people what they do and don't need to buy.If $$$ is no object to you and you think we really need them so bad why do all of you not buy a set of belts and take them to the Track to be give out to the ones of us who you think should have them?
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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It more or less comes down to who you are and if they want you to come to there Track and race.The small tracks have to operate like the Big Time NHRA Tracks.Think about it they are not gonna throw JFR or DSR out if they bend the rules a little! If no racers show up at the track to race,just how long are they going to stay in business?People sit back and tell us Racers nobody cares what we think or do,well if all of us stick together and do not race at there Tracks unless they have a Big NHRA or IHRA race to keep them in business with 15-20 cars showing up each week to race they go belly up!It has already been proven the Tracks can not only stay in business with just racers and only a hand full of spectators but do just fine.If they pack the stands with spectators and have no racers,things do not go very well for them. I can not speak for anyone other than myself,but I am only going to race at the Tracks were they come up and tell me they are Glad to see me and Happy to have me there.Not some where where they think they are doing me a favor by letting me be there and want me to jump through hoops to please them.
So are you saying we should only race at some marginal, backwater track where we know the tech guys who let you slide? Just inferring that but that's kind of what it sounds like. Correct me if I am wrong.
Of course, NHRA cares about image and attendance at their events but not at the expense bodily harm or fatalities to their racers caused by compromised safety equipment.
Also, comparing weekend warrior/sportsman racers to an operation like Force or DSR is silly. Would you get into a Top Fuel car with out of date belts? I wouldn't. I bet they change harnesses and belts pretty often.
Regardless, those guys are subject to the rules just like everyone else. They can either comply or not but my guess is that it would be very costly for them NOT to be in compliance.
Does this look like a marginal back water track to you?This is one of not just the Best Tracks in the South but the nation!Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.
How could we tell ANYTHING about the track in question, from THAT tiny pic.........other than the fact that tech and safety take a back seat there, because they are allowing you to race a dragster with a t-shirt and no gloves. Or are you saying because of "who you are" they let you by with this.........Either way, sounds pretty "back water" to me............But I will take a shot......Montgomery?
And if that IS Montgomery......while a decent track, it is far from one of the nicest tracks in the nation. You need to get out more...............LOL!!!..........but Jackie DOES plant pretty flowers there..........LOL!!!
Monte
Shame on you Monte trying to put down a Real Racer who races weekly most of the time,when your car has not been running since the "Roaring 60's"! Racing now is not the same as it was back in the "Roaring 60's" LOL
PS Yea its real easy when you do not have a race car or one fast enough to need BS like the 2 year belt rules to set back and tell people what they do and don't need to buy.If $$$ is no object to you and you think we really need them so bad why do all of you not buy a set of belts and take them to the Track to be give out to the ones of us who you think should have them?
What does ANY of that have to do with the fact that you CHOOSE to do something that you KNOW is unsafe and some how think that makes you look good. If YOU don't care about your OWN safety enough, to at least wear a damn jacket, do you think the guy in the other lane would think that you had any regard for HIS safety...........just a question.
You keep telling us about all this stuff you do to keep your stuff top notch, buy the best of the best and so forth, yet blatantly thumb your nose at the rules. Every pic you post and every statement you make, just enforces my point about a lot of these rules being in place to attempt to protect racers from themselves.........so carry on doing it "your way". Your fellow racers thank you for your support..........LOL!!!
Monte
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.
That's presumptuous.
Again, the pros are subject to rules just like lower level racers, probably more so than you even realize. Do you think the Top Fuel or Pro Stock teams are trying to save a few bucks by skimping on belts? Do you think they hand the tech guys a 100 bucks and say, aww let me slide this time... right.
Listen, everybody has their own ideas about what's best for them and racers especially never like being told how they should do things. We know that.
BUT, the one area that no one in their right mind would want to show blatant disregard for is safety. Last time I checked, nobody earns points, gets a trophy or a payout for dismissing safety requirements.
But let's say you do wreck and/or get hurt, die or hurt someone else and it's found to be due to blatant negligence. You'd get plenty of recognition for that!
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
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Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.
That's presumptuous.
Again, the pros are subject to rules just like lower level racers, probably more so than you even realize. Do you think the Top Fuel or Pro Stock teams are trying to save a few bucks by skimping on belts? Do you think they hand the tech guys a 100 bucks and say, aww let me slide this time... right.
Listen, everybody has their own ideas about what's best for them and racers especially never like being told how they should do things. We know that.
BUT, the one area that no one in their right mind would want to show blatant disregard for is safety. Last time I checked, nobody earns points, gets a trophy or a payout for dismissing safety requirements.
But let's say you do wreck and/or get hurt, die or hurt someone else and it's found to be due to blatant negligence. You'd get plenty of recognition for that!
PLEASE don't take this wrong but did you ever BUY a set of seat belts? It says your car runs 12.20's so I'm just kinda wonder where your input is coming from.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: RMCHRGR]
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01/22/15 08:50 PM
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OK, so since we are told by those much smarter then all us pions, that belts suddenly fail at much greater rates? after 630 days. Who changes them after 365 days, just to be safe, since its only $XXX.oo? What is frosting most is IMO, its not the cost, its the lack of logic, fairness, data, etc to back up the claim for 2 years re cert. If you think its important, prove it,, and let us move on. For instance, one of hundreds of examples, I suspect improper/inadequate seat mounting defeats the intended purpose of any 20+ year belt, but no one can make a profit from enforcing that requirement, and when was the last time anyone checked seat mounting while checking a seat belt expiration date. One with out the other is just safety theater.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
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FWIW the rule on the 2008 and newer cars is for 100% STOCK UNMODIFIED cars. Of course it is up to the individual track to check and enforce that. So technically if you install a tuner, aftermarket air filter or exhaust you would not be allowed to violate any of the ET rules. Just sayin..
Also as Monte has pointed out numerous times this IS NOT an NHRA thing. It is SFI who set the standards not NHRA contrary to popular belief. But feel free to go ahead and continue to beat this dead horse to a pulp..
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
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Also as Monte has pointed out numerous times this IS NOT an NHRA thing. It is SFI who set the standards not NHRA contrary to popular belief. But feel free to go ahead and continue to beat this dead horse to a pulp..
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
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FWIW the rule on the 2008 and newer cars is for 100% STOCK UNMODIFIED cars. Of course it is up to the individual track to check and enforce that. So technically if you install a tuner, aftermarket air filter or exhaust you would not be allowed to violate any of the ET rules. Just sayin..
Also as Monte has pointed out numerous times this IS NOT an NHRA thing. It is SFI who set the standards not NHRA contrary to popular belief. But feel free to go ahead and continue to beat this dead horse to a pulp..
Ok.. so maybe this should have been sent to the SFI group.. but NHRA, IHRA or many others DONT have to agree with their total package.. I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to buy the belts every 2 years IF SFI could PROVE to me any MANY OTHERS that a 5 years old set of belts will fail at ANY HIGHER RATE than a 2 year old set of belts... which are already throw away belts.. JUST HAVE THEM SHOW FACTS... pretty simple for us peasants.... we can deal with FACT.. I know from testing that I use to do... they cant in fact prove it..
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
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Google sfi and see exactly who makes up the foundation
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